George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby

[Eric_Lowe]

Well...I read Louis and Victoria, it did not go very deep on the relationship and charecteristics of both Nada and George. Like why did George collect so much porn ? Was he obsessed with different aspects of sexuality ? Was the marriage to Nada, a known lesbian satisfactory ? The real relationship between Gloria and Nada ? I doubt they will be answered soon.

[LisaDavidson]

Well...I read Louis and Victoria, it did not go very deep on the relationship and charecteristics of both Nada and George. Like why did George collect so much porn ? Was he obsessed with different aspects of sexuality ? Was the marriage to Nada, a known lesbian satisfactory ? The real relationship between Gloria and Nada ? I doubt they will be answered soon.

I doubt they are anyone's business, Eric.

Gloria and Nada are both dead and buried and barring a cache of letters, this is pure speculation. I didn't know lesbians were registering in that time, but many gay people of the era had satisfactory marriages based on friendship. I have no idea if George MH was sexually obsessed or not. Porn, as you know, can be found in all societies, and his porn was his business.

[Eric_Lowe]

Well...Nada's relationship with Gloria made headline news in America. That is not just anybody's business. If so there would not be a media circus around Princess Diana and Princess Margaret. George is Philip's uncle, I do not know if he had shown his collection to his nephew.

[Kalafrana]

Since Prince Philip was not yet 17 when George died, I doubt whether George would have shown him his porn collection!

[Ilana]

Nada and Gloria Vanderbilt's relationship was explored during the trial concerning Vanderbilt's daughter.  They were making decisions on the fitness of the mother.  Those became public knowledge at the time and there were other women involved and named.  At any rate, there is no evidence about what George Battenberg thought of the entire thing.  The only thing I know is that VMH supported BOTH her daughter-in-laws during their various travails.

[Eric_Lowe]

VMH was such a trooper ! She even liked Serge, even though others have reservations about his stance on Serfs, Jews and religious issues. I think George was tolerant of his wife's affairs, and maybe he has some of his own too like his brother Dickie did.

[Marlene]

On July 3, 1935,  an Appellate court exonerate Gloria Vanderbilt of all the "sensational" charges made by the maid, Marie Cailloit - the judge was referring to the alleged relationship between Gloria and Nada.  
"we think that the charge rests upon the testimony of the maid, Cailloit, elicited upon cross examination, to be so detrimental to the relator and the evidence to support it so unsubstanial that she was entitled to unqualified and complete exoneration."  
The story about a lesbian relationship hinged entirely on the testamony of  a maid with an axe to grind - and her testamony did not hold up in court.  Lady Milford Haven also took legal action and won.  

Nada and Gloria Vanderbilt's relationship was explored during the trial concerning Vanderbilt's daughter.  They were making decisions on the fitness of the mother.  Those became public knowledge at the time and there were other women involved and named.  At any rate, there is no evidence about what George Battenberg thought of the entire thing.  The only thing I know is that VMH supported BOTH her daughter-in-laws during their various travails.

[Marlene]

The collection was kept at the MIlford Haven's home in Edinburgh.

Since Prince Philip was not yet 17 when George died, I doubt whether George would have shown him his porn collection!

[Eric_Lowe]

Under lock and key as Robert Golden told me.

[Paul]

Well...I read Louis and Victoria, it did not go very deep on the relationship and charecteristics of both Nada and George. Like why did George collect so much porn ? Was he obsessed with different aspects of sexuality ? Was the marriage to Nada, a known lesbian satisfactory ? The real relationship between Gloria and Nada ? I doubt they will be answered soon.

I doubt they are anyone's business, Eric.

Gloria and Nada are both dead and buried and barring a cache of letters, this is pure speculation. I didn't know lesbians were registering in that time, but many gay people of the era had satisfactory marriages based on friendship. I have no idea if George MH was sexually obsessed or not. Porn, as you know, can be found in all societies, and his porn was his business.

Female Bisexuality, and Lesbian chic, were periodically fashionable thru out the 20th Century.

Given George Mountbatten's porn interest, Nada's supposed proclivities probably would've increased his attraction to her. I'm told that Lesbianism figures prominently in heterosexual porn.... mind you: I know this only because my brother tells me about such things.. <chuckle>

[Eric_Lowe]

That is why we will never know the details...at least until the present Queen and Prince Philip dies. I don't think William cares a toss about George & Nada.

[Vecchiolarry]

Hi,

I'd be surprised if anyone, let alone William & Harry, is interested in Edwina, George, Nada and Gloria - even after the demise of The Queen & Prince Philip.
Lesbianism and porno are now just blase subjects now-a-days and frankly uninteresting....

Paul -
You are so correct about the ebbing & flowing of degenerate cconditions in society.
I'm, frankly, wondering if these ladies were all tarred with the same 'lesbian' brush by simply associating with Elsa Maxwell, the notorious lesbian party-giver of the 20's thru 50's...
I met Elsa Maxwell once (and that was enough, thank you!) at the opera in Rome in 1958.  She was an overly large, grotesque & smelly old harridan and vulgar to the n'th degree.  She and Mercedes D'Accosta were the premier lesbians of the first half of the 20th Century;  and many women were tagged as lesbians simply by association with one or both of them:  Greta Garbo, Marlene Dietrich and Claudette Colbert.
Whether they all were or not, I don't know, nor could care less.
And, I surmise, society as a whole, doesn't either.

Larry

[Ilana]

Indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eric_Lowe]

This is a bit off the subject but Marlene Dietrich was bisexual. In her daughter Maria Riva wrote her mother once said all the fuss about hetrosexual and homosexual, she said in her days in Berlin, she went to bed with whoever she found attractive, male or female ! Both the Duchess of Windsor & Anna Anderson believed Dickie Mountbatten played for BOTH teams.

[LisaDavidson]

This is a bit off the subject but Marlene Dietrich was bisexual. In her daughter Maria Riva wrote her mother once said all the fuss about hetrosexual and homosexual, she said in her days in Berlin, she went to bed with whoever she found attractive, male or female ! Both the Duchess of Windsor & Anna Anderson believed Dickie Mountbatten played for BOTH teams.

What is this now, the royal gossip show? Anna Anderson didn't even know Lord Mountbatten! And how well did Wallis know him? Ridiculous! As I have stated on many other threads, being friends with a gay person means nothing more than that. It does not mean the other person is gay.

Back to the topic if anyone remembers what it is - oh, yeah, The Marchioness of Miltford-Haven.