Princes Golitzin

[David_Pritchard]

I hope that you did not misunderstand me when I wrote about the glass bottle. This type of glass was very popular in old Russia. I have no evidence upon which to base any opinion about the bottle's previous ownership. It could be that the princess brought it with here from Russia or it could be that someone marked the bottle as to where it was purchased, that is the Golitsyn antique shop or it could have been a gift to someone and the person wanted to remember from whom the gift came.

David

[Marie-Antoinette]

Oh right! sorry I did misunderstand you!
If it belonged to Princess Galitzine it would be amazing!
Thank you very much David for you contribution to my mystery  
And thank you everyone, for your help

[s.v.markov]

Fascinating thread ~ and amazing knowledge! Now I wonder if anyone can help me with this query. I have a book called 'Spirit to Survive' by Princess Nicholas Galitzine, published in 1976. It tells of her childhood in Russia, her Father's (Count Dmitri Tatischeff) murder in 1919, and her own subsequent exile and marriage to Prince Nicholas Galitzine. They came to England in 1932, which is more or less where the book ends. Prince Nicholas died in 1958. I know the Princess was still alive in 1977, because she has written in the front of my copy of the book 'With my kindest regards and best wishes, Irina Galitzine, May 21st 1977'. And I know from a table at the back of the book that she had four children, Irina (called Boulia), Dmitri (called Mima), who married Patricia Wingfield, Valentina and Maria. But that's it. Is anything known of the years 1932 onwards, the later life of the Princess, the whereabouts and lives of her children? I would be grateful for any information.

[Morecambrian]

Fascinating thread ~ and amazing knowledge! Now I wonder if anyone can help me with this query. I have a book called 'Spirit to Survive' by Princess Nicholas Galitzine, published in 1976. It tells of her childhood in Russia, her Father's (Count Dmitri Tatischeff) murder in 1919, and her own subsequent exile and marriage to Prince Nicholas Galitzine. They came to England in 1932, which is more or less where the book ends. Prince Nicholas died in 1958. I know the Princess was still alive in 1977, because she has written in the front of my copy of the book 'With my kindest regards and best wishes, Irina Galitzine, May 21st 1977'. And I know from a table at the back of the book that she had four children, Irina (called Boulia), Dmitri (called Mima), who married Patricia Wingfield, Valentina and Maria. But that's it. Is anything known of the years 1932 onwards, the later life of the Princess, the whereabouts and lives of her children? I would be grateful for any information.

Irina died several years later and there was an obituary in the "Daily Telegraph".On her mother's side ahe was the grandaughter of the Mistress of the Robes "Madame Zizi" Elizaveta Alexeievna Narishkina Nee Princess Kurakin (1838-1928)who wrote interesting memoirs.Countess Vera died in Paris in 1952.For more info look on the Friends,retainers section under "Madame Zizi"

[s.v.markov]

Thank you for the information and the link to the other thread. Very revealing. Irina mentions that her elder sister Elizabeth was named after their maternal grandmother Madame Zizi, whose book 'Under Three Tsars' I was lucky enough to find recently in its original 1931 edition. The memoirs are not an easy read, but interesting nonetheless. I also noticed a photograph in Cripps' 'Romanovs Revisited' (p68), showing Zizi with Grand Duchess Olga Nicolaievna and her mother the Empress Alexandra. Thank you again for the info ~ it's all coming together for me now.

[Morecambrian]

Thank you for the information and the link to the other thread. Very revealing. Irina mentions that her elder sister Elizabeth was named after their maternal grandmother Madame Zizi, whose book 'Under Three Tsars' I was lucky enough to find recently in its original 1931 edition. The memoirs are not an easy read, but interesting nonetheless. I also noticed a photograph in Cripps' 'Romanovs Revisited' (p68), showing Zizi with Grand Duchess Olga Nicolaievna and her mother the Empress Alexandra. Thank you again for the info ~ it's all coming together for me now.

Countess Elizabeth D Tasticheva stayed in Russia,never married and died in 1970 in Moscow.

[lababoc]

I've read many years ago a byography by an old princess   in it she states   she met  an old lady  with  beautifull intriguing unforgetable eyes ...later she was told by  someone was  it the   Duchesse  D'Angouleme    daughter of Louis VX and Marie Antoinette ...  is that the byography of the  Princess Galitzine? thanks

[Majordecor]

Dear All,

Dad was PR Consultant to Sir Roy Welensky, Prime Minister of the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland during the 1950's.
 
Whilst in London, Dad had dealings with Prince Yurka (Yuri) Galatzine who was also a PR man. They were close enough for my Dad to make my third given name Yuri.
 
If possible, I would like to have a photograph of the Prince to include in a book I'm writing about my family.
 
Also, what qualified a man to be an Imperial Russian Prince?

I have the following brief biographical information...

Prince Yuri (Yurka) Nikolaievitch Galitzine (1919-2002)
Born 18th Feb 1919 at Yokohama, Japan
Died 28th November, England
(funeral service on Friday 6th December 2002 at Clipsham Church at 12 noon followed by burial)..
(Only son of Prince Nikolai Alexandrovitch Galitzine (1899 - 1963) and his wife Emma Lilian Fawcett-Hodgson (1888 - 1948). Prince Yuri was married 4 times, his 4th wife being the former Dr Jean Shanks who died in Nov 1999. (From The Times of Monday 02 Dec 2002)

Best regards,
 
George Major (formerly Cole).

[griffh]

Here is a great website on Russian Noble families  http://genealogy.euweb.cz/russia/russia.html 

I found my greataunt's marriage listed to Prince Mistislav in Paris which was so helpful and I just found a website devoted to her today, so there is more information out there than we imagine.  The site even had her autobiography which is almost unattainable today.  Thank goodness I have a copy.  But I don't mean to get off the topic.  The Galitzine family was enormous and there were Galitzine Princes that were not recognized as legitimate by the family, or so I have heard.  Possibly this is not true but my Uncle told me it was so. 

Well anyway your book on your family sounds fascinating.....good hunting....griff

[griffh]

I don't know if this will help but I found Yuri, his issue, and his father.  Perhaps you can contact some of Yuri's chldren. 

G2. Pr Nikolai, *Dolzhik 2.7.1899, +Hunts 6.4.1963; m.London 17.3.1918 Elena Emma Lilian Fawcett-Hodgson (*Liverpool 12.7.1888, +Hunts 20.10.1948)

H1. Pr Yuri, *Yokohama 18.2.1919, +England 28.11.2002; 1m: 22.11.1944 (div 1951) Constance Irene Higginson   (*Belfast 12.8.1916); 2m: London 6.10.1952 (div 1961) Sheilaghnford-Johnson (*Didsbury 24.3.1920); 3m: London 30.11.1965 (div 1976) Elizabeth Gwyneth Tighe (*Ashford 17.4.1933); 4m: London 19.11.1976 Jean Mary Shanks (*Leatherhead 18.11.1926, +London 11.11.1999)

I1. [1m.] Pss Alexandra, *Belfast 13.11.1946, +UK 16.2.2003; m.London 19.6.1981 (div 1994) Leszek Juliusz Stanislaw Nowicki (*Steniawka 2.3.1932)

I2. [2m.] Pr Grigori, *London 10.7.1955; m.London 1.2.2003 Svetlana Vladimirovna Rutter (*Volchansk 24.2.1963)
J1. Pss Maria Catherine, *Oxford 10.6.2003

I3. [2m.] Pss Sophia, *London 5.3.1958

I4. [3m.] Pr Nikolai, *London 31.12.1968; 1m: Tel Aviv 23.6.1988 (div 1995) Schlomtzion Kenan; 2m: London 4.8.1995 Cynthia Weaver

I5. [3m.] Pss Amalia, *London 3.2.1970, +5.2.1970

Best regards   Griff

[Majordecor]

Dear Griff,

I'm really grateful that you replied. I've been away a few days and so I apologise for not replying sooner.

I shall go hunting tomorrow with the information you have supplied.

Prince Gregoriy, son of Yurka (Yuri) works in Oxford, England!

My best wishes,

George.

[Galitzine]

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Dear All,

Dad was PR Consultant to Sir Roy Welensky, Prime Minister of the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland during the 1950's.
 
Whilst in London, Dad had dealings with Prince Yurka (Yuri) Galatzine who was also a PR man. They were close enough for my Dad to make my third given name Yuri.
 
If possible, I would like to have a photograph of the Prince to include in a book I'm writing about my family.
 
Also, what qualified a man to be an Imperial Russian Prince?

I have the following brief biographical information...

Prince Yuri (Yurka) Nikolaievitch Galitzine (1919-2002)
Born 18th Feb 1919 at Yokohama, Japan
Died 28th November, England
(funeral service on Friday 6th December 2002 at Clipsham Church at 12 noon followed by burial)..
(Only son of Prince Nikolai Alexandrovitch Galitzine (1899 - 1963) and his wife Emma Lilian Fawcett-Hodgson (1888 - 1948). Prince Yuri was married 4 times, his 4th wife being the former Dr Jean Shanks who died in Nov 1999. (From The Times of Monday 02 Dec 2002)

Best regards,
 
George Major (formerly Cole).

dear Major decor,
Here is a picture of Price Yuri Galitzine. It is taken from the Galitzine Family book, of which he was one of the major instigators & backers. If you want a better quality picture you could try getting in touch with his son, Gregory:
gregory@galitzinewines.co.uk

galitzine

[griffh]

Dear Majordecor,

I am so grateful to have been of some use to you and I know how grateful you must be to Galitizine for a direct email contact and that lovely photograph of the Prince.  Prince Yurka looks so distinguished and has such a kind and warm-hearted face. 

Dear Galitzine,

May I take a moment and ask if you have any information about Prince Mistislav Galitzine?  I know that his marriage to my great aunt was very short and I know that he remarried shortly after their divorce to a French lady.  I know that my Great Aunt retained her title as a courtesy title for the rest of her life and while I have heard some wonderful stories from my Uncle, who lived in their town house in the Passy when he was in his late teens and early twenties, I have never actually heard any real information about the Prince.  I have several of my Uncles letters from Paris but he never mentions the Prince.  I know she had a fascination with the Far East and that she was famous for her collection of pearls.  They say that there was some kind of oil in my great aunt's skin that made her pearls exceptionally lusturous and that many of her friends asked her to wear their pearls to sleep so that their luster would be restored.  My Uncle said that at times she was literally draped in pearls when she went to bed.  But apparently she was very cavallier about losses as my Uncle said that once aboard ship as she was leaning over the railing to look at something a strand of her best pearls broke and fell into the ocean and that she simply murmered something about the fact that they had all decided to return home. 

Well anyway if you know of anyone I might be able to email in your family that might be able to tell me a bit more about the couple I would be most grateful.  I know where my great aunt lived in the Passy and I know that her picnics in the Bois were quite famous, but I know nothing about the Prince.  Well thank you for any help you might be able to render. 

[Galitzine]

In the Galitzine Family book there is the following entry for Mstislav Alexandrovich Galitzine:
"Last member of the family to carry the Ostermann title. Entered the Corps de Pages before fighting the "Reds" with the Kolchak army as an officer. Left Russia by train to the East via Japan but eventually settled in France. He had a curious mind & was truly interested in others. He studied maths, engineering (with the Zeppelin Company), politics, economics & philosophy. Around 1930, with a Roumanian friend, he created an anti-Bolshevik club, which was vigorously attacked by L'Humanite, the French Communist newspaper. Later, because of his second wife, he joined Action Francaise, a rightist organisation. At the same time he helped another committee promoting the United States of Europe. He studied esoterism & philosophy with his Hindu Master. He knew, but disliked Gurdjiev, but esteemed Uspensky. He was able to fast for 40 days. At the core of Russian exiles in Paris, he was more interested in the present & the future. To make ends meet, he gave lectures on psychology, philosophy, esoterism, astrology & dream interpretation. He was a good chess player.
During World War II he lived in St. Jean de Luz, where he was arrested by the Germans for a time. When released he tried unsuccessfully to emigrate to USA with the help of his friend King Alfonso XIII.
By his second marriage he had a daughter, Maria ("Moussia")(1929-1998) who married the writer Raymond Dutherque."
The Ostermann title came to the Galitzine family in the 19th. century.  Prince Valerian Mikhailovich Galitzine,(1803-1859) was involved in the Decembrists attempted coup of 1825. As a result he was stripped of his titles & reduced to the ranks with the army in the Caucasus. After serving there for many years in 1856 his title was restored to him by Imperial Ukaze. In 1857 he inherited the title Count Ostermann through his mother's brother, Count Alexander Ostermann-Tolstoy. A further Ukaze in 1863 permitted his son, Mstislav Valerianovich to pass the title on to his children by primogeniture.

[griffh]

I had posted this request on another thread and Galitizine was so very kind in replying: 

Dear Galitzine,

May I take a moment and ask if you have any information about Prince Mistislav Galitzine?  I know that his marriage to my great aunt was very short and I know that he remarried shortly after their divorce to a French lady.  I know that my Great Aunt retained her title as a courtesy title for the rest of her life and while I have heard some wonderful stories from my Uncle, who lived in their town house in the Passy when he was in his late teens and early twenties, I have never actually heard any real information about the Prince.  I have several of my Uncles letters from Paris but he never mentions the Prince.  I know she had a fascination with the Far East and that she was famous for her collection of pearls.  They say that there was some kind of oil in my great aunt's skin that made her pearls exceptionally lusturous and that many of her friends asked her to wear their pearls to sleep so that their luster would be restored.  My Uncle said that at times she was literally draped in pearls when she went to bed.  But apparently she was very cavallier about losses as my Uncle said that once aboard ship as she was leaning over the railing to look at something a strand of her best pearls broke and fell into the ocean and that she simply murmered something about the fact that they had all decided to return home. 

I now have such a wonderful picture of the Prince and am so very grateful.  I was just telling Galitzine that my cousin Dano had just come accross some of the Princess' stationary and she is sending some to me.  It was lavender paper with a gold crest and edged in gold.  Anway here is my framed picture of the Princess along with my Alexander III coronation mug.  I have posted this picture in another thread so please forgive the repetition.



Once again thank you so very much Galitzine for your wonderful information and pictures of the Prince and his family.  I now have a fuller understanding of the fine individual my great aunt was married to.      Griff