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« Reply #45 on: June 09, 2007, 12:58:41 PM »
Prince ilarion was given a small amount of compensation for his property when the newly formed baltic states confiscated them but it seems that most, if not all of it was lost in the German inflation crisis. One of the elder & unmarried Scherbatov sisters who lived between 1908-56..but whose name escapes me (Maria?) was active in the french resistance...

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« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2007, 05:42:44 AM »
From Missie's book, it appears ...
I've just browsed through its Russian web edition 8).

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« Reply #47 on: June 11, 2007, 08:12:34 AM »
Ashdean thanks so much for the information about Tatiana's book.  I can't wait to find a copy.  Mike I am glad you found Missie's book on the web.  Having re-read the Foreword I finally have a clear sense of the family and there various places of exile.  Thank you again for all of your wonderful help Mike and Ashdean.  I found the picture of my Mum in her Austin on the Emery estate.  I wil try and post it soon.  Thanks again Griff

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« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2007, 02:03:10 PM »
The most amazing thing happened.  I am currently working on the Empress' war correspondence for 1915 and low and behold I found the Empress' reference to the sudden death of Prince Scherbatoff who died in 1915 and his wife Sonia, nee Princess Wassiltchikoff.   In Alix' Letter No. 58 Tsarskoe Selo, April 6th 1915, she writes Nicky,

- Mary Wassiltchikov's son-in-law Shcherbatov, (ex-naval officer) died suddenly yesterday. He had recovered from typhoid & was taking tea with his wife, nice Sonia, when suddenly died from a failure of the heart - poor young widow! You remember her last baby was born the day of Ducky's gardenparty for the English naval officers - the grandmother came straight there. 

I wonder if the birth the Empress was referring to was Xenia, wife of my Uncle's friend Baron de Ludinghausen-Wolff.  By-the-by my Aunt Catherine didn't marry a Wolff, she married a Korff.  Sorry for the confusion.   

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« Reply #49 on: June 12, 2007, 03:20:51 PM »
The most amazing thing happened.  I am currently working on the Empress' war correspondence for 1915 and low and behold I found the Empress' reference to the sudden death of Prince Scherbatoff who died in 1915 and his wife Sonia, nee Princess Wassiltchikoff.   In Alix' Letter No. 58 Tsarskoe Selo, April 6th 1915, she writes Nicky,

- Mary Wassiltchikov's son-in-law Shcherbatov, (ex-naval officer) died suddenly yesterday. He had recovered from typhoid & was taking tea with his wife, nice Sonia, when suddenly died from a failure of the heart - poor young widow! You remember her last baby was born the day of Ducky's gardenparty for the English naval officers - the grandmother came straight there. 

I wonder if the birth the Empress was referring to was Xenia, wife of my Uncle's friend Baron de Ludinghausen-Wolff.  By-the-by my Aunt Catherine didn't marry a Wolff, she married a Korff.  Sorry for the confusion.   
There were 4 Scherbatov sisters...by the way princess Mary Wassiltchikov and her husband also escaped the revolution and I think out lived Sonia who died in 1927...

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« Reply #50 on: July 02, 2007, 09:12:05 PM »
A belated thank you Ashdean for your detailed information.  As I am currently working on the Empress' War correspondence for 1915 I would love to ask you about the various members of the Wassiltchikov family.  I should probably PM you. 

Well believe it or not I finally dug through boxes of family pictures and found the little snap shot of my Mum on the Emery Estate in her Austin Runabout. 


Rosalind on the Emery Estate


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« Reply #51 on: July 02, 2007, 09:14:03 PM »
I also found several society clippings of my Grandmother and Great Grandmother and her family but they were reduced to atrocious dots for some reason or other when I tried to scan them so instead I have chosen a postcard of my Mum and Grand Mum in the early 1920's.  My Grand Mum was known for her exquisite taste which she inherited from her mother and is wearing a décolleté restaurant gown in the photo with my Mum who is attired in a simple geometric threaded netted collared, drop waisted velvet tunic. 

My Grand Mum was very particular about her photographer and used the firm of Bachrach because they were employed by the White House for all of the photographs of the Presidents of her time.  I was actually in NYC and went to the Bachrach studios with the intention of buying the archive of photos from generations of my mothers family, only to learn that they had just sold their archives to an auction house inorder to reduce their overhead.  I was so crushed because five generations of my Mum's family "dressed" and were photographed in their finery by Bachrach.  I think I am not spelling the name of the firm correctly, by the by.  Well anyway, thanks again Ashdean and Mike and Galitzine for all of you your wonderful information.  Griff


My Grandmother and Mother. Bachrach Photo, circa Late Teen/early 1920's. 
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« Reply #52 on: July 08, 2007, 09:56:16 PM »
I must add a correction.  The gown my Grandmother is wearing is a dinner gown.  Though she had inherited and owned some priceless jewels and is photographed in some of them in the society clippings, she often chose to wear no jewels at all.  She was following a fashion statement that had been introduced by the beau mode in the early teens who were rebelling against their parents conspicuous display of wealth.  If one checks the fashion notes published in a fashionable magazine during the period they will read of this rebellion.  Even the Russian society magzines addressed this new trend.   

My Grandmother desired for clean lines and a freedom from satorial decoration and ornamentation in her fashions often caused consternation, but in the end most everyone ended up following her lead.  Only once did she get into serious trouble when she tried to introduce a french designed bathing suit as a fashionable resort.  It was made of sea-foam green silk with a modesty skirt of the same fabric and silk stocking and slippers to match.  As everyone else was wearing dark woolen bathing suits, a policeman actually came up to my Grandmother and asked her to please leave the beach.   

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« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2007, 07:19:39 PM »
I thought that I might include the article from Stolitsa i usad'ba written in 1916 in order to add a bit of credibility to my remarks about the taste of my Grandmother as being in perfect sympathy with this period and establish how it’s taste differed dramatically from the previous Edwardian era. In this 1916 article written by the anonymous "Russian Parisian" for Stolitsa i usad'ba, the fashion editor makes the following comments:

Of course, I know, that the clothes of our domestic fashion plates very often sin by the absence of that nobility which the French call 'distinguished,’ and also modesty, nevertheless, I am willing to bet that not many would dare wear some of the dresses shown that evening.  I looked at the large audience gather at the Palace Theater that evening and was confirmed once more in my conviction that we have so little taste, refinement, and sense of measure.  Festooning oneself with precious stones, all kinds of bangles, everything that glitters, like Negroid people and cannibals of ‘Niam-Naim’—that is what we love and do well.  And on which we spend all our money.

The neurotic passion for trumpery and tinsel, for signs of wealth—an indicator of low and course culture—suffices to fulfill all aesthetic needs for some.  And, anyway, who is there to teach grace, measure, and nobility?  Who can set an example of refinement and ‘bon ton’...


Well just to say at the time this article was written, my Granny was setting an example of the new refinement and ‘bon ton.’ 
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« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2007, 08:29:29 PM »
I found a few more pictures I thought I would post.  I so wish that the society clippings would not dissolve into spots as they are so much fun.  Anyway here are two more photos of my grandmother Marie.  I could describe in detail my grandmother’s drawing room as it was quite famous in its day.   


Marie with Rosalind and Cornelius, circa, 1914


My grandparents did the season every year, starting in New York City, then Bar Harbour and Newport, and then Florida and back again.  As my grandfather often came down to Florida later than my grandmother and great aunt, etiquette required that my grandmother and great aunt travel with their maids and a chaperone.  You can see that the chaperone was a formidable looking woman who kept strangers at bay. 


Seated from the far left: the chaperone; my grand mother Marie; an unidentified society lady; my Great Aunt Portia.  Palm Beach, Florida, circa late 1920’s.   
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« Reply #55 on: July 21, 2007, 10:52:52 PM »
I thought I would add just one more picture of my Granny and Mum.  It was taken in 1912 the year my Mum was born.  I must add a note and say that parents did not have children for the first decade of their marriage and raised instead, eleven miniature collies.  We children did not come along until much later.  However I must say that I enjoyed having older parents and besides my mother had the miracle of youth and was often judged to be far younger than her years. 

I am so embarrassed that I have allowed myself to post these photos of non-Russians but at the same time I find it so interesting that most of these photos were taken while the Emperor and Empress still ruled Russia.  The other thing that fascinates me is that sense of quality and daintiness that appear in photos of my Granny as this aesthetic seems to be so universal in the late Edwardian era. 


Marie with Rosalind, circa 1912.


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« Reply #56 on: September 13, 2008, 02:19:21 PM »
I am in need of your help,
who might be in the possession of following book

The Russian Revolution
 By Tatiana Galitzine, princess Tatiana Galitzine

And would be kind enough to scan the page "60" and 61,
I believe that there is some hidden information!

Thank you for your help
and with my best regards!

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« Reply #57 on: February 21, 2009, 06:59:58 PM »
I don't know much (anything) about the Galitzines.

Does this story have the facts correct?

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/life/winnipegger_marries_into_british_royalty-40020377.html

ashdean

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« Reply #58 on: February 22, 2009, 06:22:40 AM »
I don't know much (anything) about the Galitzines.

Does this story have the facts correct?

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/life/winnipegger_marries_into_british_royalty-40020377.html
The story does seem to be correct.The bridegrooms grandfather Emmanuel was the son of Princess Katia nee Countess von Carlow the eldest daughter of Duke George von Mecklenberg -Strelitz and his morgantic wife....the families story has much been discussed in these boards.

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« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2009, 06:26:41 AM »
On the second page of this section there is a thread on the Carlow family and the daughters Galitzine marriages.