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Princes Golitzin
« on: February 26, 2005, 12:23:05 PM »
I am not sure that there will be any responses to this thread but does anyone know anything about a certain Princess Aimee Galitizine.  I am starting to do some research about her.  She appears in the history of my mother's family as the first wife of my Aunt's grandfather Porter Ashe of Ashville and San Francisco.    

Aimee was born a Crocker of San Francisco and married Porter at first secretly and then openly.  I think Porter had trouble with gambling.  The marriage did not last even though they had a daughter and I believe Aimee got a divorce within a few years of the marriage.  

In her autobiography, "And I'd Do It Again," she mentions her marriage to my Aunt's grandfather and details about the honeymoon, etc, but then she confines herself to stories of her romances with men like the King of Hawaii and her visit to him.  He gave her an Island and she managed to shock all the good Christian women by her antics.  She does mention husband's names in passing but never gives any details and uses her Galitizine title but never shares his name.  I don't know whether she wrote her book hoping to have it made into a movie or not but it reads like the adventures of an untamed Asian Godesss.

I do know that she married the Prince and that they lived in the Passy near the Trocadoro on 20 Rue Vinuce? or Venice?  One of my friends was able to find the house in the 1960's and said that it had been turned into an upscale apt house and a very old concierge still remembered a Princess Galitizine.  At least that is what my friend said but his French was not too good at the time.  He even managed to get a photograph of the building.  It is on a wedged shape street and appears to be three blocks long, however I lost the photograph when I lent my photo file on Russia to a publisher.  My Uncle said that the Princess bought the property because it had three stories, was three blocks long and had a triple basement and that this was all highly significant to the Princess and meant that somehow the place was destined for her.

Personally I have never heard of a triple basement or a house being three blocks long (how does someone determine that?) but this is why I am trying my best to finally get the courage to sort out fact from fiction.  I really don't even know for sure if my friend just gave upp and photographed any building he could find, but he was a very kind hearted and honest man.

My father's brother, who was in Paris attending the Ecole de Beau Arts and was on a Fisher Scholarship to the Sorbonne (I know I am mispelling all these names) was introduced to the Princess and she became his patron.  He kept his studio at 75 Blvd. Montparnasse but he moved into the Princess' town house.  

I know that address is accurate as I have some of the letters he wrote to my father from Paris.  My Uncle was to be the next great ex patriot American portrait painter and studied under the famous Lucian Simon.  

I do know that my Uncle, though he lived in a wing of the Princess' town house was never invited to her parties as he was not considered a peer but he was often included in her fabulous luncheons in the Bois.  

He was given a valet and car and driver however and according to one of his letters he was a member of the Russian Basket Ball Club.  He even included sketches of his excellant performance and they have been lost.  I don't know if he was joking about the existence of such a club or not.  He did see many of the exiled Romanoffs and Royalty and did recieve at least one commission to paint the portrait of an Italian Princess.  He had many wealthy young friends and he told me many fabulous stories about the Princess, her passion for pearls, for men, for excitement etc., just as my Aunt did, but I have never been able to trace her marriage to the Prince.  

My family was split by sharp divisions created by wealth and poverty and vastly separate social status and I have lived in fear of them most all my life.  Now as most all of the family is dead, I feel less afraid to find out as much as I can.  I simply do not like to be lied too and misinformed and I find my entire family to be very fascinating.  There has been so much disimulation in the family on both sides that my cousins and sister simply refuse to believe anything and have no connection to their own history.  

My feeble attempts, within my family, to find out more about the Princess have been roughly rebuffed by the few surviving senior members who have been further embittered over multiple divorce suits.  But as so much of my life has been directed by my fascination in the stories of the Princess that I started hearing as a little boy and the eventually led me to reading my first Russian memoir at twelve, has made me want to openly search for more information about her.  

Does anyone have a clue as to how I should start.  My Uncle said that there is a line of the Galitizine family that is not very nice and he thinks that Aimee married a member of that line.  I hope that I am not repeating something that will be interpreted as slander, I am just trying to get as much information out there as I have.
Thanks griff, see bluetoria I am actually trying to go forward!!!!


 

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Re: Princes Golitzin
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2005, 07:58:13 PM »

go straight to:  PRINCES of the Russian Empire: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/russia/russia.html

Enjoy.

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Re: Princes Golitzin
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2005, 04:57:30 PM »
Oh AGRBear I can't thank you enough for this wonderful start.  My Uncle's life is well documented and I can get all kinds of information on the web about him and all of his papers just went to the Smithstonian Mus.  But I have never, until now tried to trace who the Princess married, so again I wish to sincerely thank you for this first step forward.  Griff

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Re: Princes Golitzin
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2005, 12:24:19 PM »
I FOUND HER.  THANK YOU SO MUCH BEAR.

G1. Pr Mstislav Galitzine, Ct Ostermann, *Kiev 21.1.1899, +Paris 28.2.1966; 1m: Paris 22.9.1925 (div 1927) Aimee Crocker (*Sacramento 5.12.1871); 2m: Neuilly 27.9.1927 Clarisse Biot (*Paris 28.4.1887, +Paris 22.12.1969)
H1. Pss Maria, *Paris 18.2.1929, +Paris 29.1.1998; m.Paris 4.10.1962 Raymond Pierre Dutherque (*Montreuil 9.10.1929)

Does anyone know anything more about Prince Mstislave Galitizine?

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Re: Princes Golitzin
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2005, 01:06:08 PM »
I found some more some more information.  Does anyone know about the Miskinoff's?  This is really so terribly exciting.  I am feeling, oddly enough, rather validated by the information that I am discovering.  Thank you so much and I will keep you informed of my progress and would so appreciate any further help.  


Amy Isabella Crocker Galitzine

Born in 1863 in Sacramento
As the most flamboyant member of the Crocker family, Amy (later Aimée) enjoyed an exotic and indulgent lifestyle. Her audacious autobiography, entitled And I'd Do It Again, shocked readers everywhere when it was published in 1936. She married five times: R. Porter Ashe; Harry Gillig; Jackson Gouraud; Prince Miskinoff; and Prince Galitzine. She had one daughter, Gladys, by R. Porter Ashe, and later adopted Yvonne and Reginald while married to Jackson Gouraud. She died in New York on February 7, 1941.




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Re: Princes Golitzin
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2005, 07:34:58 PM »
Sacramento CA?

Check the old newspapers.  News around there had it's social page and it was like personal chat and had a gossip column.  Marriages were big affairs and anyone who was anyone were written about.  You might even find some of the guests listed.

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Re: Princes Golitzin
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2005, 11:56:59 PM »
Thank you Bear I shall follow your lead.  Now all I have to do is try to figure out how to finance my research.  I might try to apply for a grant as I really am determined to write a book about the Princess.  

By the way my Uncle was mistaken about the line of Galitizine's that Prince Mstislave was related to.  His great uncle, Nikolai was killed on the battlefield of Borodino in the famous victory over Napoleon and his other great uncle, Alexander, and his grandfather, Valerian, who were both exiled to Siberia for being part of the revolutionary group, the Decembrists.  

The line also includes dear old Prince Nikolai Galitizine, the last Romanoff Prime Minister who was executed in 1925 in St. Petersburg.   The Galitizines in exile married a great many English and Americans which creates a great many leads for me to follow up on to try and expand my understanding of the world of exiled nobility in Paris during the time the Princess and my Uncle were there.  

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Re: Princes Golitzin
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2005, 10:38:11 AM »
I read somewhere that one descendant of the Galitzine family (a princess) returned to St. Petersburgh and is living there now. Does anyone know anything about this?

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Re: Princes Golitzin
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2005, 02:45:45 AM »
I think you must mean Princess Katia G who is a grand daughter of Prince Vladimir Emmanuel G who died in London in the 1950s and was married to Countess Katia Carlow (daughter of Duke George of Mecklenberg-Strelitz).She has set up a library in the former family palace in St P to which our Queen & the Prince of Wales among others have devoted books. The Galitzine family were a huge clan & I sem to remember reading somewhere that at the time of the revolution there were some 200 members all entitled to use the princely title!!!. I'm sure that Jacques Ferrand who published many books on Russian geneology will have details of both Aimee's princely husbands, It will just be the luck of finding the exact book.....GOOD|LUCK

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Re: Princes Golitzin
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2005, 09:11:57 AM »
Thank you - it helped a lot.

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Re: Princes Golitzin
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2006, 07:16:54 AM »
This is rather strange.
The other night, i was just looking for a book for my sister in my mound in my room and I came across one of my books that I hadn't looked at in a long time.
This book was "The Romanov Legacy - Palaces of St Petersburg".
Anyway, I had left it on the side and in the morning I got up and was looking at it, and I noted the foreward was written by a Russian Princess.
ANYHOO!
Later, my mother comes home from town, brandishing different things, and shes rummaging around in her pocket for something she bought me.
She takes out this pretty tiny little glass scent bottle without a stopper, with red painted patterns on it:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/TheLastTsarina/picture008.jpg

It was very nice, since I sort of collect little antique scent bottles and decadent objects (like stamp lickers or pomanders). But then, I turned it upside down, and what was on a sticker written in biro on the bottom of the little bottle? But the words: PRINCESS GALITZINE:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/TheLastTsarina/picture009.jpg

Naturally, I immediatley got on google and was searching the name. I recognized it. Later on, I went back upstairs and looked at who wrote the foreward of my book: Princess Katya Galitzine.
God knows why this little pot has her name on it!

Anyone know anything about her? I only know what was in the bio about her in the book.  :-*
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2006, 08:08:54 AM »
Princess Katya is the grandaughter of Prince Vladimir Emmanuelovitch and his first wife Princess Katya (nee Countess von Carlow, the eldest daughter of Duke George of Mecklenberg Strelitz by his morganatic marriage)who escaped from Russia with their three small sons onboard a British warship and settled in London. They ran an antique shop which was often patronised by their kinswoman Queen Mary. Princess Katya was killed in 1940 during the blitz while working as a censor.Prince George, Katia's late father was married twice and she is his daughter by his second marriage. If you look on various threads under the above surnames you will come across much more information. :)

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Re: Princes Golitzin
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2006, 08:22:35 AM »
thank you [glb]very[/glb] much :D
you contribute to the reason i am part of this forum :D

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Re: Princes Golitzin
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2006, 12:28:55 PM »
The bottled is not painted as you wrote but rather coated in a thin layer of red glass. This type of bottle was made primarily in Bohemia though there were similar objects made in surrounding Central Europe. I have seen many similar objects in Russia though I believe that these were imports. Pieces of pre-1917 Russian manufacture with a similar appearance (to the novice) have a much thicker coloured layer of glass, termed cased glass. If you retain the stopper, it might be possible to date the piece more percisely than somewhere in the period 1850-1920.

David

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Re: Princes Golitzin
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2006, 04:30:51 PM »
Thank you!! your kindness is wonderful :)

Im still confused about the Princess Galitzine label lol, the label looks oldish lol
I will have to think of some possibilities!
Could anyone suggest any?