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Re: Emperor Alexander and Princess Ekaterina Dolgoroukaya
« Reply #165 on: November 02, 2009, 12:32:04 AM »
Hi Lisa,
Thank you for your response.  Following that logic, does that mean that Romanov's were by law unable to contract marriages with Russians?

Generally, yes, with some notable exceptions.

Romanovs could marry other Romanovs - such as Xenia Alexandrovna marrying Alexander Mikhailovich. Romanovs could marry cadet branches of their extended families - such as Olga Alexandrovna marrying Peter of Oldenburg. And, most controversially, Romanovs can apparently marry members of former ruling dynasties whose territories were taken over by the Empire - such as Vladmir Kirilovich approving his own marriage to Leonida Bragration. However, many disagree with the latter.
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Re: Emperor Alexander and Princess Ekaterina Dolgoroukaya
« Reply #166 on: November 10, 2009, 05:12:12 AM »
According to "Once a Grand Duke", Maria did not really mind...

My mother turned her head away in plain disgust. My future mother-in-law, then the wife of the heir apparent, Grand Duke Alexander Alexandrovich, lowered her eyes. She would not have minded it so much for herself but she was thinking of her sister Alexandra married to the Prince of Wales. "What will old Queen Victoria say when she hears of this disgrace? . . .

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Re: Emperor Alexander and Princess Ekaterina Dolgoroukaya
« Reply #167 on: November 11, 2009, 10:31:19 AM »
I have just finished reading Russia Before the Crash, by Princess Stephanie Dolgorouky , who was married to a brother of Katya ---there are many interesting details in this book covering both the Romanovs and the Dolgorouky family ----highly enjoyable reading

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Re: Emperor Alexander and Princess Ekaterina Dolgoroukaya
« Reply #168 on: November 11, 2009, 03:40:43 PM »
Thanks Tx, sounds fascinating!  I've just had a look online to purchase, but seeing that it is $400 (amazon) maybe you wouldn't might sharing your top three points of of fact/fiction from the book with us, please?

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Re: Emperor Alexander and Princess Ekaterina Dolgoroukaya
« Reply #169 on: November 16, 2009, 07:54:48 PM »
Thanks Tx, sounds fascinating!  I've just had a look online to purchase, but seeing that it is $400 (amazon) maybe you wouldn't might sharing your top three points of of fact/fiction from the book with us, please?

Hi - I just returned from the European Royal History Journal conference - had a great time - but wanted to tell you that Stephanie Dolgorouki's book is available through Euro History for $36 - I know because I bought one.

Also, does anyone have genealogical info on Yurievskaya's siblings? I got that she had four brothers and 1 sister - and the first names but very little else. Stephanie says she was the second wife of "Anatole", Yurievskaya's brother.

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Re: Emperor Alexander and Princess Ekaterina Dolgoroukaya
« Reply #170 on: November 16, 2009, 07:57:17 PM »
was Stephanie the Italian sister-in-law? or this mordern times? sorry, a bit confused.

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Re: Emperor Alexander and Princess Ekaterina Dolgoroukaya
« Reply #171 on: November 17, 2009, 01:50:41 AM »
was Stephanie the Italian sister-in-law? or this mordern times? sorry, a bit confused.

The Italian sister-in-law's name was Luisa. Earlier at this thread I had posted the photo of Ekaterina and Luisa together.



Also, does anyone have genealogical info on Yurievskaya's siblings? I got that she had four brothers and 1 sister - and the first names but very little else. Stephanie says she was the second wife of "Anatole", Yurievskaya's brother.

Hope this helps:
Mikhail Mikhailovitch Dolgorukiy (1816-1859) and his wife Vera Gavrilovna Vishnevskaya had 7 children:

Mikhail (1838-1902), married an Italian Countess, had a son Mikhail (born 1860)
Vasiliy (1840-1910), chamberlain, governor of Vitebsk, married to Sophia Ignatievna Shebeko (1838-1899), had a son Vasiliy
Nikolai, died in infancy
Anatoliy (1844-?) married Maria Yakovlevna Toutkevitch, his 1st wife I think
Sergei (1845-?)
Ekaterina (1847-1922)
Maria (1850-1907), married firstly Prince Emmanuel Mescherskiy (1832-77), who was killed at Shipka (Russian-Turkish War). Secondle she married Count Georg Berg. Maria is buried with her sister Ekaterina in France. Here's a photo of Maria's only daughter Leonilla (1871-1930):

http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2502722322

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Re: Emperor Alexander and Princess Ekaterina Dolgoroukaya
« Reply #172 on: November 19, 2009, 05:40:37 PM »
was Stephanie the Italian sister-in-law? or this mordern times? sorry, a bit confused.

The Italian sister-in-law's name was Luisa. Earlier at this thread I had posted the photo of Ekaterina and Luisa together.



Also, does anyone have genealogical info on Yurievskaya's siblings? I got that she had four brothers and 1 sister - and the first names but very little else. Stephanie says she was the second wife of "Anatole", Yurievskaya's brother.

Hope this helps:
Mikhail Mikhailovitch Dolgorukiy (1816-1859) and his wife Vera Gavrilovna Vishnevskaya had 7 children:

Mikhail (1838-1902), married an Italian Countess, had a son Mikhail (born 1860)
Vasiliy (1840-1910), chamberlain, governor of Vitebsk, married to Sophia Ignatievna Shebeko (1838-1899), had a son Vasiliy
Nikolai, died in infancy
Anatoliy (1844-?) married Maria Yakovlevna Toutkevitch, his 1st wife I think
Sergei (1845-?)
Ekaterina (1847-1922)
Maria (1850-1907), married firstly Prince Emmanuel Mescherskiy (1832-77), who was killed at Shipka (Russian-Turkish War). Secondle she married Count Georg Berg. Maria is buried with her sister Ekaterina in France. Here's a photo of Maria's only daughter Leonilla (1871-1930):

http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2502722322

Thanks! So there was a brother named Anatoly. His second wife was the Stephanie who wrote the book. She mentions her husband and herself looking after Princess Yurievskaya in her final years.

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Re: Emperor Alexander and Princess Ekaterina Dolgoroukaya
« Reply #173 on: November 19, 2009, 06:10:04 PM »

In what year did Stephanie Dolgorukaya originally publish her memoirs?

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Re: Emperor Alexander and Princess Ekaterina Dolgoroukaya
« Reply #174 on: November 19, 2009, 08:18:08 PM »
No idea. The edition I bought was a Royalty Digest reprint. My guess would be late 1920's as the earliest.

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Re: Emperor Alexander and Princess Ekaterina Dolgoroukaya
« Reply #175 on: February 08, 2010, 12:02:02 AM »
Ekaterina Dolgoroukaya in the 1870s



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Re: Emperor Alexander and Princess Ekaterina Dolgoroukaya
« Reply #176 on: February 08, 2010, 03:50:44 AM »
That has to be the most flattering picture of her I´ve seen so far.

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Re: Emperor Alexander and Princess Ekaterina Dolgoroukaya
« Reply #177 on: February 08, 2010, 04:03:01 AM »
That is really her? She looked quite different in comparison to her other fotos... :-\
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Re: Emperor Alexander and Princess Ekaterina Dolgoroukaya
« Reply #178 on: February 08, 2010, 04:42:46 AM »
That is really her? She looked quite different in comparison to her other fotos... :-\

Yes, I had some doubts at first. But it's her, the photo is from the private archive of her which is being preserved at Nizza.

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Re: Emperor Alexander and Princess Ekaterina Dolgoroukaya
« Reply #179 on: February 08, 2010, 08:09:06 AM »
Not a beauty if you take this foto...but maybe a very charming lady which is not seen on fotos...thats a pity ;)
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