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Prince Pavle of Yugoslavia, his family and descendants
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Re: Prince Pavle of Yugoslavia, his family and descendants
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2005, 10:57:34 AM »
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And as for succession rights, since you have mentioned them, I have a list of the line of succession given to me by Crown Prince Alexander, and the Pauline line is on it...rightfully or not, CPA considered them as dynasts, even though perhaps with the sad bickering that has gone on between both that may no longer be the case.

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For the unenlightened, could you briefly describe the nature of the family bicker which has lead to the anomosity between the two branches of the Yugosalvian/Serbian Royal Family.

Is is Yogosalvian or Serbian now?

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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2005, 11:35:46 AM »
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For the unenlightened, could you briefly describe the nature of the family bicker which has lead to the anomosity between the two branches of the Yugosalvian/Serbian Royal Family.

Is is Yogosalvian or Serbian now?

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You have to realize for starters that the two branches are not closely related.  The late KIng Alexander and Prince Paul were first cousins.  Prince Paul was the wealthier of the two, thanks to money from his mother's family, the Demidovs.  There was certainly a lot of tension within the family - as Alexander consolidated his power (Serbia was a dictatorship.)  He married a Roumanian princess not long after signing a treaty with the country .. and Paul married Olga of Greece (a year or so after her engagement to Frederik of Denmark ended) They were the far more cultured couple - they collected art works that lined their home in Belgrade (the White Palace, which was on loan from Alexander. For a time, Paul could not leave the country as Alexander did not trust him as Paul was more popular outside Yugoslavia, and he had good connections in the UK (none of which helped him later.)  

After Alexander's tragic assassination, Paul was one of three regents for the minor King Peter - and Paul found himself stuck between a rock and hard place - the rock was tumbling toward him and it was called Germany.  That Paul cozied up to the Nazis is not in doubt - but one has to realize that he didn't have much of a choice considering the situation.  However, as Yugoslavia and Germany moved toward a mutual pact, the Yugoslavs were not thrilled and neither was the young King Peter, who shortly before he reached his majority age, he ended the regency and the pact they had made with Germany.  This proved dire for the family.  Within weeks, Germany had moved into Yugoslavia, and the family went into exile.  Peter first to Egypt and then to England.  Paul and family eventually ended up in Kenya where they were under house arrest by the British.  When the Duke of Kent was killed in the plane crash, the British govt arranged for Olga to come and spend time with Marina (and Olga was villified in the papers and in Parliament.)

I recommend  Neil Balfour and Sally Mackay's  Paul of Yugoslavia (1980) .... Paul got a bad rap for his decisions - but Germany was going to invade no matter what.
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Re: Prince Pavle of Yugoslavia, his family and descendants
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2005, 11:38:43 AM »
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For the unenlightened, could you briefly describe the nature of the family bicker which has lead to the anomosity between the two branches of the Yugosalvian/Serbian Royal Family.

Is is Yogosalvian or Serbian now?

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I should add not closely related now -- King Alexander and Paul were first cousins -- the present head of the family Crown Prince Alexander who is Alexander's grandson.  
Prince Alexander (Paul's son) was a second cousin to the late King Peter (the present head's son)

Paul - Alexander -twin sons

King Alexander - Peter   Crown Prince Alexander.


Thus CP Alexander and Alexnder's sons are third cousins
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Re: Prince Pavle of Yugoslavia, his family and descendants
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2005, 11:46:13 AM »
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For the unenlightened, could you briefly describe the nature of the family bicker which has lead to the anomosity between the two branches of the Yugosalvian/Serbian Royal Family.

Is is Yogosalvian or Serbian now?

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Money, money, money, money...


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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2005, 11:55:45 AM »
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Money, money, money, money...


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It was my understanding this royal family did not have any money or very little money of their own.  

However, Princess Elizabeth (if you believe the National Inquirer) has always "hung out" with very and very-very wealthy men-and nothing wrong with that.

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It was my understanding this royal family did not have any money or very little money of their own.  

However, Princess Elizabeth (if you believe the National Inquirer) has always "hung out" with very and very-very wealthy men-and nothing wrong with that.

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Paul's line was much wealthier due to his maternal inheritance.  He had acquired some art work etc (and he did manage to take a few paintings with him) .. the main branch was certainly without funds in exile - and Peter could never really cope.
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2005, 01:38:39 PM »
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Paul's line was much wealthier due to his maternal inheritance.  He had acquired some art work etc (and he did manage to take a few paintings with him) .. the main branch was certainly without funds in exile - and Peter could never really cope.


Who is his mother and what is her line?  Sorry Marlene, I am at work and do not not have time to check "Monarchies of the World".    

My poor "slacker soul" begs forgiveness and indulgence this one time.

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Re: Prince Pavle of Yugoslavia, his family and descendants
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2005, 02:26:44 PM »
Princess Aurore Demidoff, a naughty girl!

She also happened to be the heiress to a fabulous fortune...a considerbale part of which landed on Prince Paul's lap, not only through his mother, but from her relations, who had large properties in Tuscany and invaluable artwork.

In a past issue of The European Royal History Journal we had a nice biography of Aurore written by one of her descendants, from the "wrong" side of the blanket! :o

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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2005, 05:40:24 PM »
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However, Princess Elizabeth (if you believe the National Inquirer) has always "hung out" with very and very-very wealthy men-and nothing wrong with that.


Isn't Princess Elisabeth the mother of the actress, Catherine Oxenberg?

Ages ago, Catherine's Dynasty character ended up marrying the heir to a Balkan kingdom. The irony was almost too much.

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Isn't Princess Elisabeth the mother of the actress, Catherine Oxenberg?

Ages ago, Catherine's Dynasty character ended up marrying the heir to a Balkan kingdom. The irony was almost too much.


Yes,  Catherine is her firstborn ... and she was marrying the heir to Moldavia or something like that.
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2005, 07:06:25 PM »
Princess Elisabeth had an afair with President John F.Kennedy!I was reading in some book that her second daughter Christina Oxenberg is natural daughter of the President Kennedy and that she even found some papers about it...She didn't like her mother(nor her sister) because of her coldness!She even discovered those facts in her book witch is called ''Royal Blue''!

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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2005, 09:01:45 PM »
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Princess Elisabeth had an afair with President John F.Kennedy!I was reading in some book that her second daughter Christina Oxenberg is natural daughter of the President Kennedy and that she even found some papers about it...She didn't like her mother(nor her sister) because of her coldness!She even discovered those facts in her book witch is called ''Royal Blue''!



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Re: Prince Pavle of Yugoslavia, his family and descendants
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2005, 12:19:13 PM »
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Isn't Princess Elisabeth the mother of the actress, Catherine Oxenberg?

Ages ago, Catherine's Dynasty character ended up marrying the heir to a Balkan kingdom. The irony was almost too much.


I read somewhere that Catherine Oxenberg and her husband actor Casper van Diem were going to do a reality show about her life as a royal/actress. I haven't heard more about it since then so I don't know if it's still in the works. Sounded really tacky.

Ah, here it is: I Married a Princess premiering April 18 on Lifetime.

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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2005, 12:31:00 PM »
Ella,

Did you ever see that tacky show on E! Network about the Iranian princess who wanted to be a country music singer but whose parents wanted her to get married.

Tacky! Tacky Tacky!

This princess's grandmother was a sister of the Shah of Iran I beleive.

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