Re: Cousin Toria

[MarquisAnthony]

I've just done a quick search for photos and I found these:

Left to right: Maud, Toria and Louise


Louise, Victoria and Maud


Victoria on her own


Louise, Maud and Victoria


Victoria, Queen Alexandra and Dagmar (The Empress Marie Feodorovna)


Victoria alone at Sandringham

In this photo. I was surprised to realize that the picture of Alix and Minny is including Toria. Alexandra and Dagmar look so young here that I thought that the pic of Toria could have been there other sister Thyra. Alexandra was absolutely beautiful. Makes you wonder why would Bertie cheat on his wife.

[Janet_W.]

Re: why would Bertie "cheat" on Alexandra . . .  very possibly for the same reason Charles renewed his relationship with Camilla: Having a spouse who is attractive and photogenic but not on your same sexual/intellectual/emotional wavelength is, for most people, intolerable!

[QueenEna1887]

For some god given reason Princess Victoria of Wales has been an interesting member of the British Royal Family! Her selfish mother Queen Alexandra did not want her to marry because she was afraid that she would lose her but in the back of my head and from what I have seen in Victoria that she was hiding something. She never married but she did have a number of suitors and for some reason I think she either married one of them secretly without anyone except for her big brother George V knowing and had illegitimate descendants! Hey! If her father Edward VII could sleep around with different mistresses and created a widespread of illegitimate children! I know for a fact she could have and probably did! Hey! Talent is inherited from generations and she inherited her father's sexual obsession!

[Alicky1872]

in the back of my head and from what I have seen in Victoria that she was hiding something. She never married but she did have a number of suitors and for some reason I think she either married one of them secretly without anyone except for her big brother George V knowing and had illegitimate descendants! Hey! If her father Edward VII could sleep around with different mistresses and created a widespread of illegitimate children! I know for a fact she could have and probably did!

QueenEna--what is the basis of your comments?! Do you know something about Toria that we don't?

[Marlene]

I believe the unrequited love for Toria was Lord Roseberry.


Actually, there were reports in the media of the day that this marriage was going to be announced, so it did go beyond unrequited.  It went both ways.  

[Marlene]

it would have been difficult for Victoria to marry - without anyone finding out because one needs a license to marry in the UK.   Moreover, Victoria was her mother's handmaiden ...although there were suitors, she was never really offered for marriage, because her mother wanted to keep her home - just as Victoria tried to keep Beatrice at home and unmarried.   But Toria getting married ... and having kids. Not likely at all.

[Martyn]

Not remotely possible.  I think that it is probably a great shame that she didn't marry and escape the suffocating environment of being Alix's handmaiden.  Much as I admire the latter, the concept of retaining a daughter to serve as companion in later life is utterly selfish; Alix was a very cloying parent.

[Marlene]

Much as I admire the latter, the concept of retaining a daughter to serve as companion in later life is utterly selfish; Alix was a very cloying parent.[/quote]

It was not unusual for the time, for a daughter to stay home and care for parents.

[QueenEna1887]

It was only an assumption! Because as I read history does not tell you everything that happened. From what I read she did fall in love with one of the men from Parliament and wanted to marry him but her parents refused because he wasn't " royal enough" as they would say! But I don't understand, her older sister Louise married a non-royal Duke who was Alexander Duff and he was a member in Parliament. I know it was normal for a daughter back then to be a companion to the mother, I remember from watching Like Water for Chocolate. She did confide in her hairdresser named Daisy! I forgot her last name! She was a hairdresser to her and the Queen and Toria would tell her about her affairs with her suitors!

[Martyn]

Marlene, unusual or not, the concept is still a selfish one.

[Marlene]

It was only an assumption! Because as I read history does not tell you everything that happened. From what I read she did fall in love with one of the men from Parliament and wanted to marry him but her parents refused because he wasn't " royal enough" as they would say!

Lord Rosebery was much older, and Toria would have been his second wife.  There was no real romance.

[Marlene]

Marlene, unusual or not, the concept is still a selfish one.

Selfish yes, but it still goes on.

[Marlene]

[, I remember from watching Like Water for Chocolate. She did confide in her hairdresser named Daisy! I forgot her last name! She was a hairdresser to her and the Queen and Toria would tell her about her affairs with her suitors! [/quote]

Like Water for Chocolate is a Mexican movie that has nothing whatsoever to do with the British royal family.

[Martyn]

Marlene, I can't quite be sure whether you think that it was acceptable for Alix to want to keep Victoria by her.  Do you have an opinion?

[Marlene]

Marlene, I can't quite be sure whether you think that it was acceptable for Alix to want to keep Victoria by her.  Do you have an opinion?

oh, yes I really love stullifying mothers   ...

and if you believe that I've got a bridge in Brookyn I could sell you.