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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2004, 02:42:27 PM »
'Stullifying mothers'?
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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2004, 03:16:27 PM »
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'Stullifying mothers'?



Yes ...Alix tried to snuff out Toria's independence, making the princess nearly dependent on Alix.
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« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2004, 03:17:11 PM »
No! Don't get me wrong! I do like Miss Toria, I just said she was quite interesting! I don't know but looking into her eyes they tell a deep story in my point of view of her that she had a different life.!!!
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« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2004, 03:19:32 PM »
First of All, Marlene I never said Like Water for Chocolate had something to do with the British Royal Family all I said was that the concept was almost the same! Just like in Like Water for Chocolate Tita could not marry and had to take care of her mother, Miss Toria was in that exact same situation herself! It has nothing to do with it coming from a Mexican or British view!! All I' am trying to say the situation was the same and it was WRONG!!!! of Alix to do that!!!
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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2004, 04:22:37 PM »
your post about the movie gave the impression that the film was about the British royal family.  

Toria and Alix lived more than 100 years ago.  The point is that what Alix did was not unusual.  Even today, many families depend on their unmarried daughters to take care of them.  It is highly unlikely that Toria ever had a relationship with a man - she was largely confined to the immediate family unit.  She was close to her brother, George, and talked to him every day.
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« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2004, 04:46:35 PM »
Oh I'm sorry Marlene.  I should have made it more clear.  I didn't understand what you meant by 'stullifying'.  Did you mean 'stultifying'?
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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2004, 05:20:16 PM »
Whether or not Alix was right or wrong depends on the individual who has the opinion. There is no right answer. Ena thinks it was wrong Marlene does not think it was that terrible. So each person has their own opinions on it.
Plus Alix was not the only obstacle (spelling??) in Toria's path to marriage. Toria's own actions had as much to do with it as her mother.
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« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2004, 06:03:09 PM »
Absolutely PrinceEddy.  If Toria had really wanted to escape her mother's apron strings, then I am sure that she could have managed it somehow.
After all, Beatrice did just that ; she held out against her mother for a lengthy period in order to get what she felt to be right for her.  I suppose that it is easy for us to simply say that it was Alix's fault that she remained unmarried; the truth as you suggest was probably more complex.
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« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2004, 10:06:01 PM »
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Oh I'm sorry Marlene.  I should have made it more clear.  I didn't understand what you meant by 'stullifying'.  Did you mean 'stultifying'?



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« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2004, 10:07:06 PM »
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Whether or not Alix was right or wrong depends on the individual who has the opinion. There is no right answer. Ena thinks it was wrong Marlene does not think it was that terrible. So each person has their own opinions on it.
Plus Alix was not the only obstacle (spelling??) in Toria's path to marriage. Toria's own actions had as much to do with it as her mother.



I never said that it was not that terrible. I said it was common for families to have one unmarried daughter at home - not unusual even today.
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« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2004, 10:38:49 PM »
I am sorry if I misunderstood Marlene.

I am not even sure that Toria ever had a desire to marry and leave home. She did not make much of an effort to attract the suitors who were kept away by her sharp tounge and often overwelming personality.
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« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2004, 10:50:12 PM »
I always have felt there was something very poignant about Princess Toria. Early on, before Alix of Hesse, she did catch the eye of the Tsarevich Nicholas.  Later she pasted photos of the Russian Imperial children into her scrapbooks.

A sharp tongue can result from a life of disappointment. Toria's Russian cousin Olga Alexandrovna managed to circumvent being a career "handmaiden," but Toria simply wasn't as fortunate.
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« Reply #42 on: December 23, 2004, 11:06:29 AM »
Helena and Beatrice were able to escape it as well. If Toria truly endeavored for freedom and really desired it, she could have gotten it. QV's younger girls were able to make it happen. Keeping in mind that they had to stay home.
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« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2004, 10:47:10 PM »
Does anyone have any baby photos of young Toria as a baby?
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« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2004, 06:46:44 PM »
Queen Ena, I posted one in the Duke of Clarence thread. It's one of her sleeping, too cute!
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