Re: Cousin Toria

[Margot]

Wow Kmerov that is a gem of a find! Thanks so much!

I so hope Toria knew about it! I hope Alix didn't furtively hide the letter from her and not discuss the matter! It really is so warming to know that Max of Baden wanted to marry her!I still wonder though (pure naughty speculation I know) if Alix had a secret drawer stuffed full of similar letters pertaining to possible suitors!

Fascinating stuff!

[royal_netherlands]

I'm just dropping out of the sky with my comments, so don't judge me when I talk complete nonsense. But I was browsing through the thread of Helena, princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein and rediscovered the picture above, once posted by gdella (its her picture and I'm very gratefull she posted it). And when I was reading about the Toria's tiara stuff, this picture came to my mind.
If I'm not misstaken, Toria could be the lady sitting in between George V and princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (with lorgnette). She has exactly the same posture as princess Toria, so I'm quit sure that's her. Just like her aunt Helena, she is also holding a lorgnette (just like she and her sister Maud did in the famous silver jubilee picture of 1935). She also appears to wear some kind of small tiara in her dick dark hair. Offcourse the image is to small to really prove it's a tiara, but it's not hard to image it is. But I'm not shore if the discussion was about some specific tiara, so their is not much I have to say anymore.
I thought the following people were in this picture: Queen Mary, Queen Maud (because of the lorgnette, but it could also be princess Marie-Louise), King George V, Princess (Vic)Toria, princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein, unknown man and princess Beatrice. And isn't Toria wearing a tiara in the famous picture with her mother Alexandra and sister Louise all covered in beautiful jewelry? It seems hard to imagine, that a daughter of the king of England is not owning her own tiara.

RN

[grandduchessella]

I don't have the image in front of me (it was a blow-up from an illustration from the Graphic) so I can't ID whether or not that's Maud. I do remember that the photo said it was indeed Victoria and the unidentified man is Arthur Connaught Jr.

[ashdean]

I'm just dropping out of the sky with my comments, so don't judge me when I talk complete nonsense. But I was browsing through the thread of Helena, princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein and rediscovered the picture above, once posted by gdella (its her picture and I'm very gratefull she posted it). And when I was reading about the Toria's tiara stuff, this picture came to my mind.
If I'm not misstaken, Toria could be the lady sitting in between George V and princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (with lorgnette). She has exactly the same posture as princess Toria, so I'm quit sure that's her. Just like her aunt Helena, she is also holding a lorgnette (just like she and her sister Maud did in the famous silver jubilee picture of 1935). She also appears to wear some kind of small tiara in her dick dark hair. Offcourse the image is to small to really prove it's a tiara, but it's not hard to image it is. But I'm not shore if the discussion was about some specific tiara, so their is not much I have to say anymore.
I thought the following people were in this picture: Queen Mary, Queen Maud (because of the lorgnette, but it could also be princess Marie-Louise), King George V, Princess (Vic)Toria, princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein, unknown man and princess Beatrice. And isn't Toria wearing a tiara in the famous picture with her mother Alexandra and sister Louise all covered in beautiful jewelry? It seems hard to imagine, that a daughter of the king of England is not owning her own tiara.

RN

Personally I have no doubt that Toria had her own tiara from 1901 onward...my late friend Hans Nadelhoffer told me he had found her purchase in the Cartier archives when researching heis great work on the famous jewellers...

[Eddie_uk]

Thats interesting ashdean. I wonder if it described the tiara?

[Teddy]

Altough she never played a big part in Royal history, I truly like her as a person. In books she is mentioned, but always as an old spinster, who was her mothers personal "slave". My true hopes is that she get her own short biography or an article in Royalty Digest.

[grandduchessella]

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Personally I have no doubt that Toria had her own tiara from 1901 onward...my late friend Hans Nadelhoffer told me he had found her purchase in the Cartier archives when researching heis great work on the famous jewellers...

Ashdean--when I was doing a search, I came across your quote from way back. I reposted it a few posts back--#362. You are always a 'go to' on jewels.  

[ashdean]

Thats interesting ashdean. I wonder if it described the tiara?

No the only detail Hans told me (and this was way back before his untimely death in 1988) was that it was not a convertable tiara so it cannot have been the fringe necklace (in diadem mode) that  Toria left to the Queen Mother and presumably is in the current Queens collection.

[ashdean]

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Personally I have no doubt that Toria had her own tiara from 1901 onward...my late friend Hans Nadelhoffer told me he had found her purchase in the Cartier archives when researching heis great work on the famous jewellers...

Ashdean--when I was doing a search, I came across your quote from way back. I reposted it a few posts back--#362. You are always a 'go to' on jewels.  

Thankyou thats a very kind comment..

[Margot]

Ashdean you really are an angel! Thank you so much for sharing a smidgeon of your humbling knowledge! I do hope that when the Queen lets Beatrice and Eugenie get their paws on that huge bunch of keys to the vaults, they pick some lovely pieces that haven't seen daylight since the 20s and 30s! Like Toria's fringe and the other mystery Cartier tiara perhaps! One lives in hope!

[Eddie_uk]

Do you think they are fit to wear them Margot?? I totally agree - it would be wonderful for them to see the light of day again!!!

[Margot]

I do wonder about the fitness of some Eddie! I really do! But I would rather see them on born in the purple Princesses than say God forbid..... Chelsy Davie (Is that how one is supposed to spell it?) as the future Princess Henry! Saying that, I hope that, if Ms Middleton does snare her Prince, that she gets the Rundell! It would be lovely to see it for real!

[grandduchessella]

There was an article linked on another forum a bit back that reports that when the Queen Mother died, a veritable Aladdin's treasure trove was discovered in her home. There are apparently scads of jewels of different sizes, forms and stones that haven't been seen in forever that, maybe, will emerge in future years. Or perhaps some already have, as has been speculated when Camilla shows up in this piece or that, but people might not ever know of a royal provenance.

[Eddie_uk]

Interesting that when Cecil Beaton asked her to wear more jewels the Queen Mother replied that the choice wasn't great!! 

[Margot]

Perhaps QEQM had secretly pawned her cache at the time or relinquished them as security to Coutts or Drummonds for a secret overdraft and was trying to hide the fact from her daughter! Hence the dearth of goodies in her jar! Didn't the Queen take over as guarantor of Mimmy's overdraft facility in the nineties?

Joking apart, that is a most interesting anecdote Eddie! I wonder where QEQM's goodies were at the time that she made that remark! Being cleaned en masse? One has to wonder!?