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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #465 on: April 29, 2010, 08:06:21 PM »
I've never heard of marriage being suggested, except perhaps on the part of newspapers who 'married off'' various royals willy-nilly. According to Romanovs: Love, Power and Tragedy, the 'puppy love' romance between Nicholas and Toria was over the summer holidays of 1883 when both cousins were visiting Fredensborg. He wrote in his diary that 'I am in love with Victoria, and she seems to be with me, but I don't care. Yes, it is still more pleasant if she loves me....' He continued that I 'awfully enjoy being with her and I feel dull without her.' He mentioned her almost daily in the diary and on Aug 25 wrote 'My evening game with Victoria is that she hides and I seek. When I find her too soon, she gets cross and starts chasing me. If she catches me, she tries to knock me down, but she fails. Then she beats me with her firsts, and I bear it as the Lamb of God.' 'Two days later he wrote that 'It seemed to me that Victoria despised me, but luckily I was very much mistaken. The less I cared for her, the more she followed me, and I secretly rejoiced. In the evening I tried to be alone with her and kiss her: she is so lovely.' Just the next day he wrote 'The more Victoria torments and teases her prey, the more the prey loves her. The prey is ME.' Over the weeks, they took walks, played games, read together and just generally enjoyed each other's company. There were games of hide & seek, tickling sessions, playing cards and even smoking! In late September, as the idyll began to wrap up he wrote 'Still more and more I love Victoria, awfully sorry we'll have to leave soon. There'll be no playing and romping with her in the small corner room. ' In the following weeks, he anxiously awaited her letters which he would spread on his desk and re-read them.

The book doesn't record how long the letters came and when the fanciful feelings died out but the authors chalk it up to a 'lovely, childish affection'.
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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #466 on: April 30, 2010, 03:20:58 AM »
They were both barely 15 at the time, and it all sounds like a pleasant teenage romance which was not going any further. But clearly the pair remained fond of one another.

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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #467 on: April 30, 2010, 06:35:39 AM »
I think it is a bit more than that when marriage was suggested...

When was marriage suggested?

Provide sources please.
 

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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #468 on: April 30, 2010, 05:18:19 PM »
According to the Danish source, a marriage was casually inquired but both mothers decided to let the matter drop for the time being. It should be also noted that had it gone further, it still have to go through the Russian Orthodox Church which do not allow first cousins to marry each other. Hense the shock of the Kyrill / Ducky marriage and the failed romance of Misha and Baby Bee.

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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #469 on: April 30, 2010, 08:13:06 PM »
I look forward to Kmerov confirming this Danish source for us!

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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #470 on: April 30, 2010, 10:35:39 PM »
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It should be also noted that had it gone further, it still have to go through the Russian Orthodox Church which do not allow first cousins to marry each other. Hense the shock of the Kyrill / Ducky marriage and the failed romance of Misha and Baby Bee.

You have the most unpleasant habit of changing the subject completely and going off topic when you are challenged for your sources. It happens over and over again... in order to duck the issue you empty your litter box and often then presume to lecture the rest of us (i.e. "It should be also noted that had it gone further...") as if we were imbeciles.
  
In the last couple of days I have been reading old threads of 20-30 pages, and I find you popping in and out of the discussions like a jack-in-the-box, scattering your inanities, polluting the threads, making a clown of yourself and setting everyone's teeth on edge. You are not funny, you are not entertaining, and you certainly are not adding anything of value to the forum. GROW UP PLEASE!!  

"Hense the shock of the Kyrill / Ducky marriage..." Hense? Hense??? If you'd spend as much time learning to spell as you do posting litter we'd all benefit.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2010, 10:39:39 PM by primrose »

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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #471 on: May 01, 2010, 07:00:51 AM »
Bravo Primrose! What a wonderful and coherent way you have with words! I applaud and utterly agree with everything you have written and have no doubt that the majority of members here do likewise!

I look forward to precise sourcing of the 'fact' that marriage was 'casually inquired' whatever that means!?

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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #472 on: May 01, 2010, 12:27:01 PM »
One person majority ? I see the discussion is getting "personal" again.  ::)

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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #473 on: May 01, 2010, 02:56:49 PM »
STOP this nonsence, all of you. We all must have here a great time. Maybe we all must think first, before we post. I must say, that it would be more positive if everyone just try to listen to eachother. Nobody has the personal right to attack some other member on this board. Maybe you can fight this by PM's but not my messing this board. But I must truly say that if there is NO reason to post a reply don't reply. Dear Eric, I don't favour anyone, but please think twice before you post. Do you must have always the last word by every topic? And Eddie and Margot and Primrose please don't do a personal attack. We are all grown ups and this is just silly to read.

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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #474 on: May 01, 2010, 04:40:54 PM »
I have been asked to weigh in here.  There is a huge difference between demanding that specific sources be produced and cited to support assertions made and "personal attacks".  Those asking Eric Lowe to support his statements with specific sources and challenging the validity/accuracy of the statements are well within their rights and well within forum rules.

Please keep any comments on both sides to the specific topic and avoid attacking the user personally.  It is well permitted here to challenge the statements MADE by a specific user to promote and foster accuracy and historical truth.

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Re: Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #475 on: June 14, 2010, 09:53:09 AM »
has anyone seen the epìsode of "Voyagers!" where Queen Victoria wanna marry Toria with a russian Grand Duke named Mikhail?

The episode name is "Buffalo Bill & Annie Play the Palace" and you can see the whole plot here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Voyagers!_episodes

Episode n-12

The actress who played Toria was Robin Eisenman and looked waaay different than the real Toria!!



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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #476 on: June 16, 2010, 09:51:44 AM »
Another fantasy by TV.  ;) Pre-Tudor times.

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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #477 on: June 29, 2010, 04:24:06 PM »
In her room at Balmoral 1908.


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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #478 on: June 29, 2010, 05:00:17 PM »

The book doesn't record how long the letters came and when the fanciful feelings died out but the authors chalk it up to a 'lovely, childish affection'.

Perfect quote from "Love, Power and Tradgedy," ella.

I totally agree. And obviously in those times for Royalty and nobility, it was not uncommon to feel romantically towards a 1st cousin. They also certainly would'nt think there was anything 'wrong' with such feelings.

Just a crush. Nicholas seemed far too kind hearted for Toria. Gosh could you imagine if they HAD been married in some strange alternate scenario. oh my!
« Last Edit: June 29, 2010, 05:12:06 PM by PrinceEddy1864 »

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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #479 on: June 29, 2010, 05:09:55 PM »
Thanks ! Love to see the photo on Toria's room. Her taste seemed to be good.

I wonder what she did with Coppins.