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« Reply #480 on: June 30, 2010, 10:53:40 AM »
I agree Eric that the room looks rather nicely arranged....very calm and apart from the carpet free of plaid!

But am I seeing things? Is she really wearing gloves? If so why? If he is it really makes this picture rather posed and fake IMHO! I mean who reads a book with gloves on? Not even a Princess surely?

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« Reply #481 on: June 30, 2010, 12:30:51 PM »
Hmmm...maybe she was doing something before she was reading...or perhaps she wanted to be photographed with her gloves on ? That I don't think we will know.

Would love to see the way she decorated Coppins before the Kents moved in and changed it.

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« Reply #482 on: July 03, 2010, 06:50:22 AM »
In her room at Balmoral 1908.



Oh Keith brilliant photograph! Just wonderfull, thank you very much for sharing!

Yes I too agree that the room looks rather nicely arranged. If she did this herself, she was a pretty good stylist and Coppins must have been a treat to the eye. I think this photograph is indeed posed, as most of the photographs were of that time. Nevertheless it's lovely! You can see a portrait of her mother Queen Alexandra in the background.

But maybe I have an explanation of the gloves thing. I've read a part of King Olav of Norway's memoirs in Dutch and he told that his mother Queen Maud ('Toria's' sister) always wrote her letters with very thin silk gloves on. She had learned to do so as a child and almost all the woman of her age did it. So 'Toria' must have done the same thing when writting. I'm not exactly sure anymore why the did wear the gloves, it had something to do with the pencil (were you wrote your letters whit) that was very delicate and could only be held correctly wearing gloves or something. So it is possible she is writting or reading letters or was just finished doing so. I will look it up.

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« Reply #483 on: July 03, 2010, 02:46:16 PM »
Maybe they wrote with gloves to avoid the stains of the ink.

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« Reply #484 on: July 03, 2010, 03:22:22 PM »
Yes offcourse! That was it! Still looking for Olav's quote anyway. Thank you for your bright mind Veronica.

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« Reply #485 on: July 04, 2010, 02:07:22 PM »
Thanks for the explaination.  ;)

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« Reply #486 on: July 04, 2010, 03:17:29 PM »
Found it! From King Olav of Norway's Memoirs,  a small anecdote about his mother Queen Maud:

''I still see her before me as she used to sit at her writing-desk. She always wrote with gloves on, like all the English ladies of her time. Thin natural colored chamois leather gloves. Since they were girls that was what they were taught. It was not to avoid fingerprints, but it was a way to get no ink on their fingers. They wrote with a pen so thin, it probably would not even be possible to write without gloves on.''

King Olav talks about 'they' when he talks about his mothers writing-habbits, so its logical to think he also talks about the writting-habbings of his aunts: Louise and (Vic)toria. And offcourse the rest of the English ladies of that time. His memoirs give a wonderfull inside in the different royal families Olav was connected to and other important historical events. He tells about: the band with his parents, about his grandparents Edward VII and Alexandra, Queen Victoria, the death of the Imperial Family, meeting Martha, the death of his wife and sister-inlaw Astrid and many more interesting stories.

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« Reply #487 on: July 04, 2010, 03:25:00 PM »
Obviously Toria may just finished writing a letter here.

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« Reply #488 on: July 04, 2010, 05:28:54 PM »
Most interesting about the gloves, I'd never heard this.

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« Reply #489 on: July 05, 2010, 07:38:27 AM »
Looking at an enlarged version of the picture, it does look as if there are possibly writing implements on the table in front of her - it's hard to distinguish, but there may be a desk-set with inkpot and pen tray or something of the sort.

Fascinating description from King Olav's memoirs, royal netherlands - I'd never heard of Victorian ladies doing such a thing as wearing gloves to write!

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« Reply #490 on: July 05, 2010, 12:23:52 PM »
RN, thank you for the quote of Olav's memoirs. What an interesting fact about victorian ladies, I would have never imagined that they wrote with gloves.

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« Reply #491 on: July 05, 2010, 01:24:21 PM »
Your both welcome! Yes it's interesting indeed. Those (upper-class) Victorians had something for everything to look orderly and in control. Writing with gloves and seven layers of skirts on, with in the meantime tight up by something like a corset! And also no right what so ever, just smile and stroll the entire day. It's just unbelievable (uncomfortable and frustrating)!

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« Reply #492 on: July 05, 2010, 02:59:45 PM »
I do wonder if Olav's memoirs was in English ?

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« Reply #493 on: July 05, 2010, 03:11:14 PM »
I don't think so. I just have a small part of it in dutch, because that was published exclusively in a royalty magazine in the Netherlands more than thirty years ago. So I don't have the entire book either and I doubt it was ever published in English. But offcourse I'm not 100% sure about that. It would be great if it was published in English, because his memoires are a treasure of wonderfull royal anecdotes. The short part I have is already brilliant, imagine what the entire book most contain!

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« Reply #494 on: July 05, 2010, 03:18:34 PM »
I totally agree with you on that.  :)