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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #435 on: March 30, 2010, 03:34:04 AM »
The telephone story I like is the one where Toria rang Buckingham Palace and said, 'Is that you, you old fool?' to which the operator diplomatically replied, 'Excuse me, your Royal Highness, His Majesty is not yet on the line.'

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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #436 on: March 30, 2010, 08:25:16 AM »

It surprises me that he speaks rather positive about her in his memoirs, and does not take her down as he could have done.
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I always take his memoirs with a grain of salt. They are greatly at odds with a) his private letters and sometimes b) facts. I don't think it would have been the greatest PR move if he had written a 'tell all'. Perhaps if he were alive in these times it would be different! He would've gained nothing by trashing an older relative. Most royal memoirs tend to be pretty sugar-coated.

Keith--I think it was probably true that it was after 1910 that whatever bitterness Toria may or may not have had begun to develop. She led a pretty vibrant, if circumscribed, life between 1901-1910. After that, it was as if she were buried alive. She was still a relatively young (middle-aged) woman, yet she spent the next 15 years of her life basically sealed away at Sandringham with increasingly elderly and frail persons. I don't think there was anyone with 2 decades of Toria's age in her mother's retinue in these years, was there? I always found it rather horrific in a sense. It's not like she never left Sandringham, but that was where the bulk of her life was spent and it was rare that she was able to leave without her mother prescribing where it would be to. I would have loved to have seen photos of Coppins, which she set up in her later life and how she had it decorated. We really know nothing of Toria's taste in furniture, art, etc...
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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #437 on: March 30, 2010, 10:37:33 AM »
I think if King Edward VII had lived as long as Queen Victoria, the perception of Toria wouldn't be as "poor Toria". She would have had more things to occupy her life and only a couple of years with Queen Alexandra. Does anyone know if there were ever any invitations from Maud or Louise for Victoria to come and stay with them at any time, minus Queen Alexandra? It doesn't seem on the whole that her brother or sisters did a whole lot to take some of the burden off of her. It's not as if Queen Alexandra would have been on her own, had Toria gone visiting on her own.

Christopher Warwick in his bio of the Duke and Duchess of Kent mentions that Coppins was decorated in the heavy style of the Victorians during Toria's lifetime.

On the grounds of Coppins.



[edited note--I fixed the problem with the photo]
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« Reply #438 on: March 30, 2010, 02:17:47 PM »
Lovely photo - thanks Keith. I've often wondered what Coppins looked like.
I cant recall where I read it, maybe in Edward VII's children, but apparently Maud sympathised with Torias situation and wrote it was not easy for her!
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« Reply #439 on: March 30, 2010, 03:23:50 PM »
Maud did defiantly sympathise with her favourite sister Toria in my opinion. I don’t know anything about Louise and Toria actuely. Toria was invited by her sister to Norway a couple of times without their mother, aldo I have also seen pictures of a visit by Alexandra and Toria together to Maud and Haakon in Norway in 1908. Here are some vacation shots of Toria spending the holidays with her sister and brother in-law in Norway (1907). And thank you Keith for the picture of the gardens of Coppins. Is that Toria standing on the little bridge?


Toria

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Toria and Maud

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Toria and Maud with members of the royal household

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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #440 on: March 30, 2010, 04:51:05 PM »
Yes, that is a little bridge over the stream she is standing on. Wearing her gloves and carrying a gardening basket.

RN - Thanks for the info about her visits to Norway. Do you know if the visits were all during King Edwards lifetime, or some after his death?

GDElla - Thanks for fixing the photo problem.
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« Reply #441 on: March 30, 2010, 06:34:02 PM »
Oooo Mark you are a poppet for posting those marvelous photographs!

I had no idea Toria skied! I guess she must have caught the bug from Maud! Actually it is interesting that Toria was an avid cyclist as well as rider and she and her mother invented a form of golf cum hockey that they used to play on Bertie's golf course at Sandringham which sounds like it must have been rather fun to play!
I think it rather interesting that all three Wales girls seemed quite outdoorsy in some ways! Even Louise was well known for her love of four in hand, angling and cycling particularly when at Brighton.


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« Reply #442 on: March 30, 2010, 06:39:58 PM »
I wonder how many times did Toria visited Maud in Norway ?

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« Reply #443 on: April 05, 2010, 07:48:35 AM »
Yes, that is a little bridge over the stream she is standing on. Wearing her gloves and carrying a gardening basket.

RN - Thanks for the info about her visits to Norway. Do you know if the visits were all during King Edwards lifetime, or some after his death?

GDElla - Thanks for fixing the photo problem.

You're all welcomme! I'm not sure how many times times she visited Maud in Norway, and I'm not sure either if all the visits were taken during Edwards lifetime. I'll try to check it, but I cannot inmagine that she did not visit her sister in the twentyfive years between her father's and her own death!



Princess Victoria with her niece Mary and their pets taking some fresh air.



The Royal siblings (except for Louise Fife) at Victoria Station somewhere in the nineteentwenties (I thought 1926). I posted a close-up of this picture a few pages ago. From left to right: Princess Victoria, King George V, King Haakon of Norway, Queen Maud of Norway and their son Crownprince Olav of Norway. I believe I read somewhere on a Norwegian site that Maud was visiting England at least once a year. So Toria could always plan ahead with her activities. Rather strange that Louise is not there to greet her sister. I would be thrilled if my sister/brother would come over from Norway (!) to visit me.
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« Reply #444 on: April 05, 2010, 07:54:30 AM »
RN  you never cease to delight me!!! Wonderful photos - thank you for sharing! I love all the crowds assembled behind in the second picture!
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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #445 on: April 05, 2010, 08:38:35 AM »
RN Where do you get those wonderfull pictures. They are so sharp! From books? Which? Articles? Internet?

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« Reply #446 on: April 05, 2010, 11:14:06 AM »
Yes. The photos are wonderful. Compare the clothes of Maud and Toria for a minute. one can see why people see more of a fashion plate in Maud. I like the one of Princess Mary smiling (In that picture, I can see Zara Phillip here ! Same facial expression ! ), she looks more attractive than the glum photos.

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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #447 on: April 09, 2010, 06:23:01 PM »
Regarding Max of Baden wanting to marry Toria in 1896. He came to see Empress Maria Feodorovna who wrote to Alix,
" Max of Baden asked to see me alone as he had something about which he wanted to talk to me, and imagine what it was. He asked if I believed he could have any hope of marrying your charming Toria. Naturally in a very modest way, he expressed himself as realising what a sacrifice it would be for her and a sorrow for you. I answered that I knew nothing at all about this and could not give him the slightest hope- only write to you about it. What answer you then would give me, I would let him know through his mother Maroussy (Maria of Leuchtenberg). I merely said to him that I knew for certain that she would never live in Berlin or Potsdam, to which he replied that yes, I know, and he would immediately leave it to go to Baden.
I am quite unhappy at having to give you this unpleasantness, to write all this, which I know will upset you, my poor angel Alix, but what was I to do, he so asked me, and he is, you know, such a nice, good-looking and distinguished young man of whom I am very fond, and who would probably be able to make a very good husband if she could love him. But that is the question. He is naturally waiting impatiently for an answer-through me".

Unfortunately I don't know Alix reply.


Interesting. This was the same Max of Baden who had been engaged to marry Elena of Russia ( cousin of Nicholas II), and it was then broke off? I assume so. I believe he eventually married elsewhere, but I can't remember who just now.

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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #448 on: April 09, 2010, 06:33:14 PM »
Princess Marie Louise of Cumberland. Daughter of Thyra of Denmark.

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Re: Cousin Toria
« Reply #449 on: April 09, 2010, 06:35:54 PM »
Toria's cousin, then. What year was that, do you know?