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Re: OTMAA's birthdays/birthplaces
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2004, 06:54:34 PM »
Oh, I hope you didn't think I took offense or thought you took offense.  ;)  I had just wanted to clarify that I didn't have any personal knowledge (like so many on this board) but was quoting from GK and since so many people know him (as you obviously do) could shed some light on the matter. I love how people wrote under pseudonyms and just made stuff up back then--ala "Princess Catherine Radziwill aka Paul Vassili" or the ever-useful "Anonymous".  ;)
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« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2004, 01:36:56 PM »
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I love how people wrote under pseudonyms and just made stuff up back then--ala "Princess Catherine Radziwill aka Paul Vassili" or the ever-useful "Anonymous".  ;)


I just really enjoy picking over sources and trying to work out how reliable they are - that process is sort of more interesting to me these days than the indivduals themselves, at least where Nicholas and Alexandra are concerned!

It's a shame, actually (and quite surprising), that no-one - as far as I'm aware - has ever wriiten a really good critical biography of Catherine Radziwill - there's some detail in Brian Robert's "Cecil Rhodes and the Princess", though it's more about Rhodes, but the recent "Princess from St Petersburg" bio of her was terrible!

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« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2004, 01:42:51 PM »
Hello Janet,

Could you tell us more about that Princess???

I saw her bio for sale but since i disliked all her books on the Empress i thought i should best save the money for any other book. I must confess i have the worst opinion of her books...

Wasn´t she living for a time in Africa???

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« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2004, 02:12:48 PM »
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Hello Janet,

Could you tell us more about that Princess???

I saw her bio for sale but since i disliked all her books on the Empress i thought i should best save the money for any other book. I must confess i have the worst opinion of her books...

Wasn´t she living for a time in Africa???


I don't know nearly as much as I'd like to, I'm afraid, but I know she was a Russian aristocrat (born in 1858) who divided her time between various European countries (whichever would have her at the time!), searching out scandal and writing it up under various names. She also forged at least one book of letters (from a French soldier who allegedly knew Washington) and published them as history! I think she used the pseudonym Paul Vassilli for only her most obviously speculative or libellous works, e.g. the ones about Alix. Many of the others were in her own name.

She was married several times and I think had children, but at one time of her life was obsessed with Cecil Rhodes, and when he ignored her (he was probably gay and certainly a misogynist at any rate) she undertook another little exercise in forgery and tried to blackmail him with the compromising letters that resulted! - I think her time in Africa was due to her involvement with him.

Another of Catherine's little side-lines was spying, and one of the crazier episodes in her life involved her carrying letters from politicians on the French far right making overtures to Alexander III, in the days before the Alliance. They were stitched into her petticoats and she got involved in a crazy race to reach the Tsar before a journalist who she thought was carrying letters from the British government got there first. The journalist was W.T. Stead, and I'm just finishing an article about him in which Catherine plays a little part, but maybe one day I'd like to do a full one about her. Loads of research, though!

Catherine Radziwill was I think actually quite good friends with the Empress Frederick, though Bismarck loathed her, and was the reason she often felt it a good idea to clear out of Berlin for a while.

Hope this helps a bit; maybe someone else knows more....

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« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2004, 03:29:05 PM »
Thank you so much Janet for all the information!!

Well, she was after all as bad as i thought she would be.

She also wrote quite awful things on Ella...


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« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2004, 08:14:53 PM »
Hello Sarai - just to answer your question about name days: it is the custom in the Russian Orthodox Church to name your baby after the saint whose is  commemorated either on the date of birth of the baby or closely there after.

Everyday of the year on the Orthodox calendar commemorates the memory of any one of the prophets, apostles, martyrs, saints, holy mothers & fathers and the angels of God in Heaven. Most of the time it commemorates the death or martyrdom of theses individuals, but it also includes the birth or baptism of the most outstanding i.e. the birth of the Holy Mother of God & Ever Virgin Mary on September 21.

Hope this helps - I can direct you to some web sites that give more detail - just let me know.

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« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2004, 02:35:52 PM »
Masha, thanks for your explanation!

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« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2004, 10:33:24 PM »
Your welcome, Sarai!

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« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2005, 07:30:20 PM »
I'm trying to memorize the birth dates of OTMAA. Can someone please post them? I think Olga's was November 15th, but I'm not sure. Thanks.

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« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2005, 07:33:03 PM »
Olga: 3/15 November 1895 (after 1900 it was 3/16 November with the calendar)
Tatiana: 29 May/10 June 1897 (after 1900 it was 29 May/11 June)
Maria: 14/26 June 1899 (after 1900 it was 14/27 June)
Anastasia: 5/18 June 1901
Alexei: 30 July/12 August 1904

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« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2005, 07:39:13 PM »
Thank you Lanie. Wow. Tatiana, Maria, and Anastasia have birthdays coming up!  :D

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« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2005, 10:20:19 PM »
What's odd Mandie? Do you mean the double dates, and then the difference after 1900? Until the Revolution, Russia used the Old Calendar (the Julian calendar), as did several other Orthodox countries. By the 1800s, this was 12 days behind the calendar which was used in Western Europe. England and America changed to the New Calendar (Gregorian) some time in the 1700s, many of the Catholic countries changed in the 1500s when Pope Gregory invented the new calendar (which is why the Protestant and Orthodox countries didn't take it on). In the 20th Century, the time difference between the calendars became 13 days (and it still is). As far as Olga was concerned, her birthday was always 3 November, but in the west, when she was a baby that day was 15 November, by the time she was 5 in the west the same day was 16 November. (Something to do with leap years in one system and not the other I think).
The Orthodox Church still uses the Old Calendar (some jurisdictions use the new for everything but Easter and associated feasts, but it is very hard to reconcile the dates and calendars, so for ecclesistical matters, IMHO it is best to use the old Calendar, the new one is fine for secular purposes.)

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« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2005, 10:34:04 AM »
It is rather confusing,
Georgiy your like a diamond mine of information! What would we do with out you!

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« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2005, 04:11:32 PM »
 :-[(shifts feet and looks embarrased!)
Thanks for your vote of confidence. I'm not such a big or deep mine however - just a very few things I know heaps about, a great number of things about which I am quite ignorant.

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« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2005, 04:18:16 PM »
So would Olga, Tatiana and Maria's birthday's be, on the Gregorian calendar, Nov. 16, Jun. 11, and Jun. 27? Or would they be the same days as they would have been for the 19th century? ???
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