Kaiser Friedrich III, his spouse Victoria and their family, Part II

[Kalafrana]

In the first half of the 20th century there was a Royal Navy practice of sending signals between ships in the form of biblical quotations. Unfortunately, few have the necessary scriptural knowledge these days.

Back to topic, yes, it's about time that FWI had a permanent burial. How about in the Friedenkirche itself - designed by his great-great-grandson Friedrich Wilhelm IV and incorporating a beautiful Byzantine mosaic which FWIV saved from a church in Italy which was about to be demolished?

Ann

[Eric_Lowe]

Good choice Ann.

[HerrKaiser]

In the first half of the 20th century there was a Royal Navy practice of sending signals between ships in the form of biblical quotations. Unfortunately, few have the necessary scriptural knowledge these days.

Back to topic, yes, it's about time that FWI had a permanent burial. How about in the Friedenkirche itself - designed by his great-great-grandson Friedrich Wilhelm IV and incorporating a beautiful Byzantine mosaic which FWIV saved from a church in Italy which was about to be demolished?

Ann

That would be a good alternate place, and he'd only have to be moved a few feet. My guess is that the Church itself, being open to the public would necessitate his coffin being buried. His son is buried so it would seem perfectly fine historically and from a protocol view. As a very big rascal, fighter, and generally aggressive man, his being laid to rest in the Church of "Peace" might be conflicting.

[Marie Valerie]

Fritz, 1860

[Eric_Lowe]

A True Hamlet according to Empress Eugenie of France.

[HerrKaiser]

A True Hamlet according to Empress Eugenie of France.

What was she thinking? Fritz a 'true Hamlet?' Anything but.

[grandduchessella]

The Empress wrote of him as such in 1857 (following his visit to her and the Emperor) to  Countess Walewski:

"“The Prince is a tall, handsome man, almost a head taller than the Emperor; he is slim and fair, with a light yellow moustache—in fact, a Teuton such as Tacitus described, chivalrously polite, and not without a resemblance to Hamlet. "

[Eric_Lowe]

That was the quote.

[Marie Valerie]

Anton von Werner - Study of Princess Margarete & Sophie (1887)

[HerrKaiser]

The Empress wrote of him as such in 1857 (following his visit to her and the Emperor) to  Countess Walewski:

"“The Prince is a tall, handsome man, almost a head taller than the Emperor; he is slim and fair, with a light yellow moustache—in fact, a Teuton such as Tacitus described, chivalrously polite, and not without a resemblance to Hamlet. "

Ah, so the reference is only relative to her impression of his pure physical appearance; nothing to do with personality, actions, or moral code.

[Kalafrana]

I've never thought of Friedrich as being much like Hamlet. In white uniforms he looks more like Lohengrin anyway!

Ann

[Vecchiolarry]

Hi Ann,

Yes, I was just thinking that myself when I scrolled down and saw your post.

He is much more Lohengrin (German) than Hamlet (Danish);  and much more stalwart in appearance and not morose...
He is/was much more courtly and approachable, I think, than brooding and insuller and suspicious....  I can see Frederick laughing and dancing and sociable;  but Hamlet -

Larry

[grandduchessella]

Well, he was only in his early 20s when the Empress wrote that about him. Photos from that period show him as more slender, with his golden moustache and not yet with his thick beard.

[Eric_Lowe]

I think Eugenie saw the gentle side of Fritz, and his torn between his warring parents. It was a tragedy that none of his parents were fond of Vicky.

[HerrKaiser]

I've never thought of Friedrich as being much like Hamlet. In white uniforms he looks more like Lohengrin anyway!

Ann

Hi Ann,

Yes, I was just thinking that myself when I scrolled down and saw your post.

He is much more Lohengrin (German) than Hamlet (Danish);  and much more stalwart in appearance and not morose...
He is/was much more courtly and approachable, I think, than brooding and insuller and suspicious....  I can see Frederick laughing and dancing and sociable;  but Hamlet -

Larry

I agree. Fritz seems far more a Lohengrin than a Hamlet, both in appearance and character. It always has troubled me that a comment such as Eugenie's gets established as a truth simply because it was made by a notable personality. Not unlike Dona being labeled a "cow" and Charlotte labeled "brat", the verified comments don't always (maybe rarely?) reflect the true nature of the person being commented about.