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King Carol II of Romania
« on: March 02, 2005, 06:32:08 PM »
Other than being the Camilla Parker Bowles of her day, does anyone have any information on this royal mistress and later wife of King Carol II.

What was her hold over Carol II?
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Re: King Carol II of Romania
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2005, 07:16:10 PM »
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Other than being the Camilla Parker Bowles of her day, does anyone have any information on this royal mistress and later wife of King Carol II.

What was her hold over Carol II?



for one thing I would not put Camilla and Elena in the same category - (the name Magda was created by the press).  Elena was the mistress of a dictator, and she helped Carol amass a fortune, and then steal it .. and live off it in exile.  Of course, when Elena died, there were numerous stories about her in the media (obituaries).  Alice  Leone-Moats wrote a biography, Lupescu, that was published in 1955.  Quinlan's book, A Playboy King, also has a lot of information.  
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2005, 07:28:00 PM »
Marlene,

I apologize to Ms. Parker Bowles.  I was only comparing the beautiful and popular Princess Helen to Lady Di.  Both had husbands in love longterm with other women who were not considered as stylish and beautiful by the masses as they were.

Also, I have read that Carol II left Roumania for exile with over 50 million dollars (1945 dollars) in cash plus another 20 million dollars in "loot".

Did Elena inherit what left of this windfall upon the death of Carol II or did it go to his son (and/or other non-royal children)?
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2005, 07:49:09 PM »
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Marlene,

I apologize to Ms. Parker Bowles.  I was only comparing the beautiful and popular Princess Helen to Lady Di.  Both had husbands in love longterm with other women who were not considered as stylish and beautiful by the masses as they were."
Carol and Helen were divorced before he reclaimed the throne, and kicked Helen out of the country, and limited her time with her son.  Cannot compare the situation.  

"Did Elena inherit what left of this windfall upon the death of Carol II or did it go to his son (and/or other non-royal children)?


No one knows for sure what happened Carol's loot.  Michael certainly did not inherit it ... it is said that Carol left everything in a Swiss bank account  - and Michael would visit the bank and keep trying passwords, trying to get access to it.  Elena did not seem to have financial worries in Portugal after Carol II's death.

Michael's financial situation since exile has always been a fragile one.
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Re: King Carol II of Romania
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2005, 11:45:41 AM »
The Lupescu woman lived in extreme comfort in her many years of exile after Carols II's death and yes King Michael did not see a penny from his father...one wonders if he had been in better financial position if his daughters would have been more palatable marriage prospects.

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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2005, 05:59:48 PM »
I have read that she and Carol made a marriage "in extremis", but is it true? Also i have read that se styled herself Princess Helene of Roumenia..
But quit a woman..

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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2005, 06:14:45 PM »
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I have read that she and Carol made a marriage "in extremis", but is it true? Also i have read that se styled herself Princess Helene of Roumenia..
But quit a woman..




They married twice, once civilly and in a religious service - the first wedding was when she was on her "deathbed"   Elena was allowed to be styled as a princess of Hohenzollern. She was granted HRH PRincess of Hohenzollern by HH the Prince of Hohenzollern.
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2005, 06:20:07 PM »
Thank you for clearing that up :).
A marriage "in extremis" is only legal if one of them dies right after, so maybe thats why they married the second time.

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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2005, 07:15:15 PM »
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They married twice, once civilly and in a religious service - the first wedding was when she was on her "deathbed"  .


I read she completely recovered with 48 hours of the marriage and went on to out live Carol II by 25 Years.

I cannot believe she did not leave any money or family heirlooms to Michael.

Did Carol II have any contact with his son by ZiZi?


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Elena was allowed to be styled as a princess of Hohenzollern. She was granted HRH PRincess of Hohenzollern by HH the Prince of Hohenzollern.


I know this is true but as snobby as the Prussian Protestant Hohenzollerns are with respects to true blue Blue Blood and morganatic marriage, I assumed the Catholic Southern Hohenzollerns would feel the same. It would have been my prediction the Furst would not have acknowledge the marriage let alone make her HRH.

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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2005, 07:26:56 PM »
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I read she completely recovered with 48 hours of the marriage and went on to out live Carol II by 25 Years."

Elena died in 1977

"I cannot believe she did not leave any money or family heirlooms to Michael."

Why?  She had no contact with MIchael .. and after Carol left Romania in 1940, the only contact father and son had was on birthdays and Christmas.  In the early 50s, Carol sold a part of his stamp collection and his villa in Nice - he could not dare sell the El Grecos, etc., because the Communist govt would have tried to claim the paintings.  

"Did Carol II have any contact with his son by ZiZi?"

No - never acknowledged MIrcea Carol Lambrino



I know this is true but as snobby as the Prussian Protestant Hohenzollerns are with respects to true blue Blue Blood and morganatic marriage, I assumed the Catholic Southern Hohenzollerns would feel the same.  It would have been my prediction the Furst would not have acknowledge the marriage let alone make her  HRH.

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Re: King Carol II of Romania
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2005, 07:30:05 PM »
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Yes Marlene, you are right about Denmark. It takes so many elections, a referendum, changing the constitution ect, that it most likely will happend when a firstborn is a girl, or some other situation, where the cónstitution is to be changed anyway! Bot nobody has a problem with equal right to the throne.



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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2005, 07:34:38 PM »
King Michael got nothing from her...that being was pure evil and one of the worst cancers to befall a royal family.

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Re: King Carol II of Romania
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2005, 07:50:28 PM »
Why?  She had no contact with MIchael .. and after Carol left Romania in 1940, the only contact father and son had was on birthdays and Christmas.

Marlene,

I have not always been on the best terms with my step- mother however she would want the money to stay in the family.

She had no children with Carol II.  Unless she spent it all and nothing was left why would she want to with hold it from her huband's (who happened to be her King) heir.  Something else that we do not know about or cannot be discussed in a public forum must have gone on.

What happened to all the El Greco paintings and jewelry?  Unlike ill gotten cash, Jewelry and paintings can be traced and be traced to be sold legally.

Elizabeth Taylor is a good example.

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"She had no children with Carol II.  Unless she spent it all and nothing was left why would she want to with hold it from her huband's (who happened to be her King) heir.  Something else that we do not know about or cannot be discussed in a public forum must have gone on."

We are talking about greedy people - and people without feelings toward others.  Duduia did not care about Michael.  She had no contact with him.  One of the reasons why Carol had to leave in 1940 was because of Elena. She possessed him, all of him.  

Who knows what happened to the possessions - the paintings could be in the Swiss banks.   He took 41 paintings with him - including works by El Greco and Titian.

What happened to all the El Greco paintings and jewelry?  Unlike ill gotten cash, Jewelry and paintings can be traced and be traced to be sold legally.

Elizabeth Taylor is a good example.

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Re: King Carol II of Romania
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2005, 07:56:47 PM »
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King Michael got nothing from her...that being was pure evil and one of the worst cancers to befall a royal family.



Arturo,

What was her hold over Carol II?  Camilla Paker Bowels I can understand.  However, this Lupescu "Ho" is something else.  If she truly loved Carol II she would have tried to bring about a father-son reconcillation after the exile.  No one had anything to lose or any throne to fight over.  Together father and son could have fought even harder for the Roumanian people.

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