King Carol II of Romania

[TampaBay]

We are talking about greedy people - and people without feelings toward others.  Duduia did not care about Michael.  She had no contact with him.  One of the reasons why Carol had to leave in 1940 was because of Elena. She possessed him, all of him.  

Ok! From here on (this response only) I am only debating.  

What would a dead woman want with money?  The Brinks Truck did not follow the hearse to the cemetry.  The money had to go somewhere.  Lupescu family?  Some swiss banker's pocket?  If I hated my step son I would still have to leave it to someone.  She lived in something.  When that dwelling was sold the money had to go somewhere to someone.  I sure the "Ho" had lots of jewelry.  It had to go somewhere.  What did she do from 1945 (Carol II's death?) until she died in 1977.

Just asking for purpose of debate and to gain information.

Thanks

TampaBay

[Marlene]

Arturo,

What was her hold over Carol II?  Camilla Paker Bowels I can understand.  However, this Lupescu "Ho" is something else.  If she truly loved Carol II she would have tried to bring about a father-son reconcillation after the exile.  No one had anything to lose or any throne to fight over.  Together father and son could have fought even harder for the Roumanian people.

TampaBay

TampaBay

You are kidding.  Elena cared nothing about Romania.  To quote one writer:  Lupescu was the sun and Carol a satellite.
You need to delve in Romanian politics  of the 1930s to understand more.

By the way,  Elena left her "moderate fortune" to her lady in waiting, according to an article in the NYTimes  - this was according to her lawyer. Carol was hated by the Romanians.  He left the country with millions, apparently.  He was a dictator.  He allowed Romania to be destroyed.

[Marlene]

"What would a dead woman want with money?  The Brinks Truck did not follow the hearse to the cemetry.  The money had to go somewhere."

Her "moderate fortune" went to a lady in waiting, Monica Urdianu.  The final years were spent in Estoril, POrtugal.  Both are buried in a special vault in the Pantheon in Lisbon.
Carol died in 1953.

[TampaBay]

"What would a dead woman want with money?  The Brinks Truck did not follow the hearse to the cemetry.  The money had to go somewhere."

Both are buried in a special vault in the Pantheon in Lisbon.
Carol died in 1953.

Not kidding-just trying to start a good debate.

I thought they brought the bones of the "Dictator and Ho" back to Roumania for re-burial.  Wasn't there a big "to do" about the "Ho Lupescu" not being buried with the rest of the Royal Roumanian Family?  

Maybe I need to start watching what I smoke and drink.

TampaBay

[Marlene]

Not kidding-just trying to start a good debate.

I thought they brought the bones of the "Dictator and Ho" back to Roumania for re-burial.  Wasn't there a big "to do" about the "Ho Lupescu" not being buried with the rest of the Royal Roumanian Family?  

Maybe I need to start watching what I smoke and drink.

TampaBay

Carol II was brought back ... and had a proper reburial ... need to check where they dumped Elena

[Eurohistory]

La Lupescu was brought back as well and buried outside the mausoleum...where she belongs, not inside with the family...sadly queen Mother Helen remains in lausanne next to the Pauls of Yugoslavia and their son Nicholas.

Arturo Beéche

[TampaBay]

La Lupescu was brought back as well and buried outside the mausoleum...where she belongs, not inside with the family...sadly queen Mother Helen remains in lausanne next to the Pauls of Yugoslavia and their son Nicholas.

Arturo Beéche

Does King Michael want Helen brought back to Romania for re-burial?

Does King Michael planned to be buried in Romania?

TampaBay

[LisaDavidson]

Does King Michael want Helen brought back to Romania for re-burial?

Does King Michael planned to be buried in Romania?

TampaBay

I would imagine that King Michael would like for his mother to be buried in Romania. And, I would imagine he would prefer to be buried in Romania, after he's dead, that is.

[Finelly]

Back to the original topic.......

My ex husband is Romanian.  He actually was raised in a house that was the summer home of The Lupescu.  When he lived there, it was owned by a retired general who rented it out to two families and kept a single room for his own use on periodic summer visits.

He does not recall a single positive thing attributed to her.  My late mother in law, who was more of a royal fan than he, never had anything nice to say about anyone other than Marie and Mignon and Ileana.

[TampaBay]

Back to the original topic.......

My ex husband is Romanian.  He actually was raised in a house that was the summer home of The Lupescu.  When he lived there, it was owned by a retired general who rented it out to two families and kept a single room for his own use on periodic summer visits.


He does not recall a single positive thing attributed to her.  My late mother in law, who was more of a royal fan than he, never had anything nice to say about anyone other than Marie and Mignon and Ileana.

Finelly,

Please post your Mother-In-Laws stories.  Queen Marie is my favorite Royal which is why I started this thread.

I never understood Lupescu's hold on Carol II!

TampaBay

[Finelly]

My late mother in law had nothing positive to say about her.  Even the Jews hated her!  She was perceived as a greedy, selfish, conniving woman with more personal ambition than intelligence or sanity.

[TampaBay]

My late mother in law had nothing positive to say about her.  Even the Jews hated her!  She was perceived as a greedy, selfish, conniving woman with more personal ambition than intelligence or sanity.

Was she not referred to as "That Red Haired Witch"

TampaBay

[Finelly]

My mother in law used a different word than "witch".  But in English, it rhymes.  <g>

But she also referred to her simply as "that woman"

[TampaBay]

My mother in law used a different word than "witch".  But in English, it rhymes.  <g>

But she also referred to her simply as "that woman"

Did your mother-in-law ever speak of King Michael? He is one of my favorite Royals.

TampaBay

[ilyala]

My late mother in law had nothing positive to say about her.  Even the Jews hated her!  She was perceived as a greedy, selfish, conniving woman with more personal ambition than intelligence or sanity.

funny how she was the target of so many anti-semits and was a reason anti-semits developed so much in the 1930s in romania and yet she wasn't really a jewish woman... (she never belonged to any group of people she only went after what she wanted...)