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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #285 on: April 21, 2013, 08:47:34 PM »
I can't remember where I read it but Ella's lady in waiting was called Kitty? Kitty who? ... How many ladies in waiting did she have and what were their names?

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« Reply #286 on: April 22, 2013, 08:20:35 AM »
Not sure. Books on Ella seldom go on great detail about them.

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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #287 on: April 22, 2013, 12:15:53 PM »
I can't remember where I read it but Ella's lady in waiting was called Kitty? Kitty who? ... How many ladies in waiting did she have and what were their names?

Kitty Kozlianinova

There's info on this thread:
 Ladies of Alexandra/Elizaveta Feodorovna
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=11465.0

Also svetabel is a great source of info on this topic.
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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #288 on: April 22, 2013, 02:51:51 PM »
I can't remember where I read it but Ella's lady in waiting was called Kitty? Kitty who? ... How many ladies in waiting did she have and what were their names?

If you are ready to read Russian  : ) I can give you a link to the LJ pages with my research on every lady-in-waiting of GDss Elizaveta.

The list of the GDss' ladies-in-waiting (to be more correct - maids-of-honor):
Princess Lyudmila Lobanova
Ekaterina Kozlianinova
Princess Maria Troubetzkaya
Princess Alexandra Lobanova
Princess Sophia Schakhovskaya
Maria Toropchaninova


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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #289 on: April 22, 2013, 10:04:07 PM »
thank you so much for replying so quickly ... i really appreciate it ... wow ... you guys really know your stuff. thanks heaps.

PS ... can't read Russian ... but hopefully am making my first trip to St Petersburg this year!!!

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« Reply #290 on: April 23, 2013, 12:59:28 AM »
That is the reason why the ladies were not better known by the English writers of Ella. They are not interested or do not know Russian. I do wonder how many of them went with Ella to her family in England, Germany and the Holy Lands.

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« Reply #291 on: May 14, 2013, 11:53:51 AM »
There is a children's book in English that came out this month on the life of Saint Elizabeth. It came out in Romanian on November 2012.
It is titled HOLY NEW MARTYR ELIZABETH, GRAND DUCHESS OF RUSSIA by Catalin Grigore, illustrated by Adela Maria Callistru.
You can obtain it through  Saint Nectarios Press: http://www.orthodoxpress.org/catalog/new.htm
Here are links I found in Romanian which show some pictures from the book: http://edituraiona.blogspot.com/ and http://ortodoxiesiviata.blogspot.com/2012/11/povestea-adevarata-printesei-care.html

Some pages of the English edition of HOLY NEW MARTYR ELIZABETH, GRAND DUCHESS OF RUSSIA can be viewed here: http://ionapublishinghouse.blogspot.ro/, the blog of the publishing house.

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« Reply #292 on: May 14, 2013, 04:14:05 PM »
Thanks. Ella's story is far from a fairy tale though...

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« Reply #293 on: June 28, 2013, 11:50:44 PM »
Can someone please help me: In Hugo Mager's book on Ella, on page 302 he says that Ella and Alix had their final showdown about Rasputin in Alix's Mauve Boudoir. Then after they had squabbled, Ella drove straight to see Felix Y at the Alexander Palace. I thought The Mauve Boudoir was in the Alexander Place and besides what would Felix have been doing there. I've read elsewhere that Alix and her 2 eldest daughters escorted Ella to the train station.

Can someone tell me what happened; who exactly did Ella go and see immediately afterwards ... and where?

Thanks, tim

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« Reply #294 on: June 29, 2013, 07:18:59 AM »
Can someone please help me: In Hugo Mager's book on Ella, on page 302 he says that Ella and Alix had their final showdown about Rasputin in Alix's Mauve Boudoir. Then after they had squabbled, Ella drove straight to see Felix Y at the Alexander Palace. I thought The Mauve Boudoir was in the Alexander Place and besides what would Felix have been doing there. I've read elsewhere that Alix and her 2 eldest daughters escorted Ella to the train station.

Can someone tell me what happened; who exactly did Ella go and see immediately afterwards ... and where?

Thanks, tim

The original story was in Felix Yusupov's 'Lost splendour' where he wrote that, following an unsuccessful interview between Yusopov's mother and the Empress ("The Empress, who had listened in silence [to the Princess's representations concerning the dangers of her patronage of Rasputin], rose and dismissed her with the words: 'I hope I never see you again.'"): "Later, the Grand Duchess Elisabeth, who appeared very rarely at Tsarskoie-Selo, made a last attempt to convince her sister.  She promised to come and see us on leaving the Alexander Palace.  We all waited eagerly for her arrival, anxious to hear the result of the interview.  She entered the room trembling and in tears: 'She drove me away like a dog!' she cried.  'Poor Nicky, poor Russia!'"

Pierre Gilliard wrote that the Grand Duchess went to see her sister and "As soon as she arrived at Tsarskoe Selo she spoke to the Tsarina, trying with all the love she bore her to convince her of her blindness....The Tsarina's confidence [in Rasputin] was not to be shaken......As the Grand Duchess persisted, the Tsarina broke off the conversation.  The interview was then objectless.  A few hours later the Grand Duchess left for Moscow, death in her heart.  The Tsarina and her daughters accompanied her to the station....The tender affection which had associated them [Alix and Ella] was still intact, but they realised that there was a broken something lying between them."

Maria Pavlovna the younger wrote: "She told me the details of her last trip to Tsarskoe Selo.......She had from her sister the Empress a frigid welcome, and her representation of the sombre, rebellious mood of Moscow, and of the need of immediate change, led to a painful scene.  The next morning she received from the Empress a short note asking her to leave...."

Ella's own deposition noted that "In December 1916 I had a final, decisive conversation with the Tsar and Tsarina [my italics] on the subject of Rasputin.....They replied that....all the rumours about him were slanders, and asked me not to touch on the matter any further." 

So some rather differing views, but no Mauve Boudoir and no Yusupovs in the Alexander Palace.  Greg King places them in the Moika Palace, which would be more logical.  But note the time differential in Maria Pavlovna's account.


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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #295 on: June 29, 2013, 01:52:56 PM »
I think Ella did make a report to those who wanted to see if she could open the Empress's eyes to Rasputin, but they were disappointed.

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« Reply #296 on: June 29, 2013, 08:18:41 PM »
Thank you! I guess I shouldn't get bogged down in detail. I guess the main point is that the meeting was unsuccessful.

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« Reply #297 on: June 30, 2013, 10:43:53 AM »
I am a bit baffled. Ella had great influence with Alicky early in the marriage and got on excellently with Minny, but did not play a role in smoothing her sister's path to Russian society (She was the darling of that). I still wonder why that did not happen...no books shed any light on that.

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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #298 on: June 30, 2013, 06:03:30 PM »
That's getting off topic and belongs in another thread.
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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #299 on: July 01, 2013, 10:18:07 AM »
Not really. I am saying why no book on the subject of Ella venture into that avenue, and which book on Ella describe this the mast ?