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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #300 on: July 01, 2013, 10:28:31 AM »
It is off topic to discuss a particular aspect of Ella's life--this thread is really to discuss the books themselves.
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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #301 on: August 27, 2013, 01:17:00 AM »
Can anyone tell me the best book to read to understand Ella and Serge's engagement ... the books i've read seem to gloss over this period. One author (I can't remember who) (and I'm paraphrasing) said that Ella finally accepted Serge on such and such a date etc. etc. Does this mean he proposed and she said no initially?

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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #302 on: August 27, 2013, 05:11:44 AM »
Can anyone tell me the best book to read to understand Ella and Serge's engagement ... the books i've read seem to gloss over this period. One author (I can't remember who) (and I'm paraphrasing) said that Ella finally accepted Serge on such and such a date etc. etc. Does this mean he proposed and she said no initially?

The best book is in fact a bio on GD Sergei, I mean not a bio exactly but a serie of books on him with his diaries ,letters, other correspondence (4 Volumes until now), in Russian.

The indecisive person in their engagement was not Elisabeth but Sergei who could not make up his mind for a long time. She never said No itself, there were some doubts from Queen Victoria and other relatives. Also Sergei itself had a lot of doubts and stretched the time.

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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #303 on: August 27, 2013, 01:39:52 PM »
Every time you mention those books, Svetabel, I think "I have GOT to learn to read Russian!". LOL They sound really interesting.
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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #304 on: August 27, 2013, 04:32:29 PM »
Every time you mention those books, Svetabel, I think "I have GOT to learn to read Russian!". LOL They sound really interesting.


They are just unique! Waiting for Volume 5... : )

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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #305 on: August 28, 2013, 11:29:38 PM »
Volume 5 of Serge diaries ?

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« Reply #306 on: August 29, 2013, 10:49:53 AM »
OH really? I had enough of a hard time tracking down the 4 Volumes as it is. Currently my Vol. 3 & 4 are being watched over by a kind AP soul, so I haven't had a chance to look at Vol. 4 yet. Where does it leave off? (date wise?)

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« Reply #307 on: August 29, 2013, 12:58:54 PM »
I wonder if it very comprehensive or just writing on daily activities like those of Nicholas II like "today. I went for a walk and a cigarette. Talk with Mama..."

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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #308 on: August 30, 2013, 12:06:34 PM »
Eric, the diary is more emotionnal than Nicolas's one. But first of all the letters of grand-duke Serguey to his friends and relatives (and espacially to his brother Paul) are extremely informative, revealing a sensitive, proud and quite bitter man. No one should give any jugement on the grand-duke as a human being (I am not about his policy) without reading these materials.

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« Reply #309 on: September 02, 2013, 01:58:10 PM »
It would be much easier if they are more readily available to be purchased and translated from Russian. 

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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #310 on: September 04, 2013, 01:49:59 PM »
Fascinating details on the letters/diaries of GD Sergei in two interviews with the researcher/editor Irina Plotnikova:

http://novospasskiymon.ru/zhurnal/431-chitaya-dnevniki

Reading the diaries:

... The archive has preserved almost all of his many letters and diaries . All this not only be collected , but also to work with the text correctly , with no errors , translated into modern Russian language with the old spelling (handwriting Sergei Alexandrovich was quite difficult) , it was necessary to translate the fragments in French, in English, on German. In order for it to be interesting and understandable to read, I had to comment, to plunge into the midst of those events. Otherwise it becomes a private correspondence, closed in meaning. It was necessary to explain all the names of the situation , the situation in Russia at the time.

Handwriting Sergei Alexandrovich and in Russian is hard to read . Now I do it quite fluently . But sometimes stumbling . But first, helped intuition : it is not possible to spell check - in general, the word is easier to read in full. The history of the French translation . I just copied the letters in calligraphy . Copier not immediately have to do.

In the first years allowed to read the scripts, I was holding these same diaries , commemorative books. I know how they look, how they smell , how they design . This is a general smell of the time : he was holding in his hands - and I can not read ! It is material to this touch and at the same time to feel something spiritual. Now the whole fund Sergei Alexandrovich transferred to film. And researchers are fleeing to the top of the opening of the archive, to occupy the unit . A queue . Sometimes you have to sit and wait for the machine when it is released . Through the film is much more difficult to read and feel , the image is not in focus. But I'm glad that in the early years, I have managed to work with scripts ...

http://ganinayama.ru/istoricheskij-material/razdel-1/intervyu-s-plotnikovoj-iv.html

- What language communicated Emperor and the Grand Duke ?

- In Russian . The French in the letters they passed , if discussed are not intended for someone else's eyes attitudes, emotions . But it's some rare inclusions , nothing more.

- It is said , and the handwriting of the person can be judged . As far as calligraphy , elegant, clear handwriting of the Grand Duke ?

- His calligraphy not elegant. It is open to people close to the handwriting human , emotional, do not hide anything . He writes fast enough, at the same time , respecting the person to whom the letter is drawn , and that is to make out the letter. When his brother Paul sent him a letter illegible , Sergey chides him : " I stopped you disassemble , bear respect! ". But we still difficult to read the letters : they are old spelling with yatyami , erami , special spellings of individual letters ... Although gradually get used to it . He is a very nice signed , " Sergei ." And his flying "C" in the signature - a work of art. I do not understand how the letters were read Elizabeth Feodorovna , it is mainly written in English . That's her handwriting , in my view , it is hard to disassemble .

Irina also says:

… Published 4 volumes of 3,000 copies , for the publication of the fifth - is still very much work…

Her work on the study of archival documents that are included in the publication, it takes more than ten years. Books issued in the light of the publishing house "Novospasskiy monastery." Four volumes are chronologically us life Grand Duke. The first volume describes the period 1857-1877, the second -1877-1880, the third - 1880-1884, the fourth - 1857-1905

Since volume 4 was up to 1905, I am curious what volume 5 will contain.

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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #311 on: September 04, 2013, 04:13:53 PM »
Thanks for the information.

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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #312 on: September 04, 2013, 05:20:57 PM »
Thank you so much for that fantastic information Joanna! Wonderful!

Now the whole fund Sergei Alexandrovich transferred to film. And researchers are fleeing to the top of the opening of the archive, to occupy the unit . A queue . Sometimes you have to sit and wait for the machine when it is released . Through the film is much more difficult to read and feel , the image is not in focus. But I'm glad that in the early years, I have managed to work with scripts ...
That is so interesting. So it seems these days all the fonds have been 'scanned' (in poor quality?) for researchers and they can no longer work with the originals. Much better for the archives life span, but it kind of takes some of the special spark out of the research. If they are digitizing everything though.... one can hope the fonds will soon open online? I've seen more items from GARF online in recent years than I have in the last 10 (mainly photos)... but the release of some of the correspondence would be brilliant.

… Published 4 volumes of 3,000 copies , for the publication of the fifth - is still very much work…

Her work on the study of archival documents that are included in the publication, it takes more than ten years. Books issued in the light of the publishing house "Novospasskiy monastery." Four volumes are chronologically us life Grand Duke. The first volume describes the period 1857-1877, the second -1877-1880, the third - 1880-1884, the fourth - 1857-1905

Since volume 4 was up to 1905, I am curious what volume 5 will contain.

Joanna

Thank you for this info Joanna! It's much appreciated. There have been some very interesting publications that have come out of Russia as of late. It will be interesting to see if, indeed, a fifth volume comes along.

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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #313 on: September 04, 2013, 07:46:06 PM »
I wonder if letters of Serge or Ella to Grand Duke Constantine or Miechen would be published ? Miechen's letters to her daughter or her diary would be interesting too.

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Re: Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« Reply #314 on: September 05, 2013, 12:03:58 PM »
Volume IV covers the years 1884-1894.
Many letters of GD Serge to Grand-Duke Constantine are in the books.