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Re: Tatiana Smiling?
« Reply #240 on: January 22, 2013, 10:59:19 PM »
I always point out there's no gap in the front teeth like Marie had
AND her hands...much thinner's  than Marie's

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« Reply #241 on: January 23, 2013, 05:01:16 PM »
I always point out there's no gap in the front teeth like Marie had
AND her hands...much thinner's  than Marie's

my 2 cents : TN

I pretty much agreee, though it's surprising there's any confusion about who it is in the first place, since Marie and Tatiana are the least likely possibilities in most of all the potential  two GD identity disputes.

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Re: Tatiana Smiling?
« Reply #242 on: November 01, 2013, 12:54:42 AM »

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Quoted from Olga.N.Romanova: http://ohsoromanov.tumblr.com/image/16035678467

Quoted from Lady Macduff:Lol, THAT picture. In the debate over whether it's Tatiana or Maria I've always come down firmly on the Maria side, but I think now I might be wrong. And ohsoromanov is awesome, for the record.

Quoted from Jen_94: And yeah, THAT picture. I will say it once more: Tatiana. I always enjoy debating over that photo, lol!


This is undoubtedly Tatiana as seen here; on the last row, first picture on the left ^^

XD I remember the time I posted that photo in page 7 and the rest who  posted agreed that it's Tatiana until 2 members disagreed, and a debate ensued. The issue has been raised again in page 14. Fortunately, a lot thinks it really is Tatiana : D


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Re: Tatiana Smiling?
« Reply #243 on: November 25, 2013, 08:48:32 PM »
Unfortunately in my experience the Russian archives site does not have the best identification in their captions.

For example, this one is listed as being Tatiana - http://www.statearchive.ru/assets/galleries/435/ron-090.jpg - it's always seemed to be Anastasia to me based on the size and the fact that I can't see Tatiana doing that.

This one - http://www.statearchive.ru/assets/galleries/435/ron-269.jpg - Is listed as being Maria and Anastasia and it's clearly Olga and Tatiana as we know from this one: http://nd06.jxs.cz/487/242/65d0d88505_96066779_v1.jpg

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Re: Tatiana Smiling?
« Reply #244 on: November 26, 2013, 04:48:14 AM »

I haven't looked at every description that is in that website. It's better to say they did a half right-half wrong work in identification ^^

For me that one you think is Tatiana is Anastasia. From how I see it, the girl was smaller, but that's just my opinion - I don't know for others ^^
I agree with you - that one identified as M & A is definitely wrong. I think they thought those girls to be the Little Pair because Maria resembles Olga, and in that picture, Tatiana looks like Anastasia (I don't know if you notice it?)

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« Reply #245 on: November 26, 2013, 04:25:41 PM »
Unfortunately in my experience the Russian archives site does not have the best identification in their captions.

For example, this one is listed as being Tatiana - http://www.statearchive.ru/assets/galleries/435/ron-090.jpg - it's always seemed to be Anastasia to me based on the size and the fact that I can't see Tatiana doing that.

This one - http://www.statearchive.ru/assets/galleries/435/ron-269.jpg - Is listed as being Maria and Anastasia and it's clearly Olga and Tatiana as we know from this one: http://nd06.jxs.cz/487/242/65d0d88505_96066779_v1.jpg



On that last one: nicely  identified, Kassy.

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Re: Tatiana Smiling?
« Reply #246 on: November 26, 2013, 09:17:21 PM »

I haven't looked at every description that is in that website. It's better to say they did a half right-half wrong work in identification ^^

For me that one you think is Tatiana is Anastasia. From how I see it, the girl was smaller, but that's just my opinion - I don't know for others ^^
I agree with you - that one identified as M & A is definitely wrong. I think they thought those girls to be the Little Pair because Maria resembles Olga, and in that picture, Tatiana looks like Anastasia (I don't know if you notice it?)

I don't think that it's Tatiana - I think it's Anastasia. The website has it marked as Tatiana.

And yes, I agree that TA looked alike and OM looked like :) But they're carrying the same trunk and are even in the same stance, with Olga being too tall to be Maria at that time.

On that last one: nicely  identified, Kassy.

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Re: Tatiana Smiling?
« Reply #247 on: November 27, 2013, 03:13:02 AM »

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I don't think that it's Tatiana - I think it's Anastasia. The website has it marked as Tatiana.
I'm very sorry for my mistake, Kassy - I thought otherwise yesterday... I hope I didn't offend you. As always, my weak power in understanding English is in the works again. To make up for that, I'm going to correct myself : )

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For example, this one is listed as being Tatiana - http://www.statearchive.ru/assets/galleries/435/ron-090.jpg - it's always seemed to be Anastasia to me based on the size and the fact that I can't see Tatiana doing that.
I agree with you that girl is Anastasia. Aside from what you said, Tatiana also would not do something that would make Olga admonish her like that ^^

I think that person who did the identification for those photos is not a Romanov fan : ))

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Re: Tatiana Smiling?
« Reply #248 on: November 27, 2013, 11:21:41 AM »
Yeah, how can one mistake Anastasia for Tatiana!? 
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Re: Tatiana Smiling?
« Reply #249 on: November 27, 2013, 12:56:06 PM »
Unfortunately in my experience the Russian archives site does not have the best identification in their captions.
It depends on which site. Official GARF site for each IF photo (and album) gives exact and precize description on place and date. :-)

Yeah, how can one mistake Anastasia for Tatiana!?  
Errare humanum est. (To err is human). Even notable Romanov books contain wrong caption. Take it easy. I know that pokes our eyes, but the girls were very similar, even some Romanov experts (I don't think I am) can't recognize/decide which GD is in the photo.
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« Reply #250 on: November 27, 2013, 01:07:24 PM »
Errare humanum est. (To err is human). Even notable Romanov books contain wrong caption. Take it easy. I know that pokes our eyes, but the girls were very similar, even some Romanov experts (I don't think I am) can't recognize/decide which GD is in the photo.

I somewhat agree with this. The only thing I take issue with is that, along the lines of what Tim was saying, it's hard to believe one could mistake Tatiana for Anastasia and not even question it. And if indeed you were unsure which GD it was it stands to reason that you would either A) take the time to find out before publishing, or B) simply leave the photo out of your book altogether. Yes?
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Re: Tatiana Smiling?
« Reply #251 on: November 27, 2013, 01:28:13 PM »

I'm very sorry for my mistake, Kassy - I thought otherwise yesterday... I hope I didn't offend you. As always, my weak power in understanding English is in the works again. To make up for that, I'm going to correct myself : )

I agree with you that girl is Anastasia. Aside from what you said, Tatiana also would not do something that would make Olga admonish her like that ^^

No offense taken at all. Just wanted to clarify :-) Yes, it seems to me that it doesn't make sense for Tatiana, who was known as "The Governess" to do something so silly, and the girl is obviously small.

And if indeed you were unsure which GD it was it stands to reason that you would either A) take the time to find out before publishing, or B) simply leave the photo out of your book altogether. Yes?

Sounds like a good idea to me. I never understood why people did that, unless they were completely sure of who it was and just happened to be mistaken. It causes so much confusion and incorrect facts, unfortunately.
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Re: Tatiana Smiling?
« Reply #252 on: November 27, 2013, 11:20:36 PM »
And if indeed you were unsure which GD it was it stands to reason that you would either A) take the time to find out before publishing, or B) simply leave the photo out of your book altogether. Yes?

Folks, people make mistakes. The largest and most reputable sources for archival photos (Getty, Corbis, LOC, etc.) have captions on some of their Romanov photos that would make us laugh. Not everybody knows better because not everybody knows the imperial family by sight as well as APTM members. It's as simple as that. Even top-notch authors like Fuhrmann, Khrustalev, King, Rappaport, and Steinberg have goofs in their captions. I wish readers would learn to accept this more gracefully.
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Re: Tatiana Smiling?
« Reply #253 on: November 28, 2013, 08:26:14 AM »
I apologize if my previous post came off overly critical. Honestly it doesn't bother me much at all but I can see why others get picky. It's just that with literally thousands of photos to choose from it seems odd, almost like going out of ones way, to choose an imagine that could be mistaken. Blurry photo? Dump it. Obstructed view? Don't bother. Even a shadow of a doubt of what GD that might be? Next!

Of course it's only the hardcore Romanov crowd that's likely to take notice of an incorrect caption. For an average reader just getting started on the subject or someone who has general interest in the time period they probably won't notice. I'd think that these latter two groups are who the photo inserts are really for in the first place. For those of in the AP crowd, really, who needs them? Now don't get me wrong, I enjoy flipping through photos in the middle of a Romanov book as much as the next person. But with the thousands photos on the AP/web there's little chance that something is going to make its way into a book that I haven't seen before, and with better clarity, on the internet.
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Re: Tatiana Smiling?
« Reply #254 on: November 28, 2013, 02:47:33 PM »
I understand that people make mistakes, but I agree with edubs in that if they are uncertain of who it is, they shouldn't be posting it under a caption in a book or a website where people mean to take them as fact. It's just a way to limit misunderstanding. That being said, there are some times where you think you know for sure (happens to all of us) and you make a mistake. That's where I understand the human error.
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