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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2004, 12:53:15 AM »
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I had the impression (with no facts to back it up :-*) that Ileana had a crush on Alexei.  The picture of them together is adorable.


I have neve seen any pictures of Ilena and Alexei.  I heard the story though.  Very cute, and sad too.  if you can, please post the link or site where I may see the mentioned photo.  Thank you.

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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2004, 03:03:27 PM »
The link I'm giving isn't one to the picture of Alexei and Ileana, but it's a site dedicated to Ileana and in it, there's a good page full of pictures of her (such a beauty) and there's a touching story of her written by Queen Marie called "The Child with Blue Eyes". The descriptions Marie gave illustrate the fact that Ileana would have made an excellent Tsarina... if she and Alexei did marry anyway.

The site is http://www.tkinter.smig.net/PrincessIleana/index.htm

I also found some sites with pictures of some of the castles and palaces in Romania

Bran Castle: http://www.angelfire.com/art/catteapix/photos-rbran.htm
Peles Castle and Pelisor:
http://www.angelfire.com/art/catteapix/photos-rsin.htm
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2004, 02:14:49 PM »
I've always seen Ileana looking beautiful as a child and plumpish and haus frau-ish as an adult.  The photo on the first page of the site is indeed beautiful -- I've never seen her look that good as an adult.

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« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2004, 09:25:57 AM »
Here are our little "fiancés"! Aren't they cute?

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« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2004, 10:37:01 AM »
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Here are our little "fiancés"! Aren't they cute?




Oh My Gosh they are so adorable!  Thank you Lisa for posting the picture, I've never seen it before. She was a cute little girl.   :)

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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2004, 12:35:42 PM »
I always loved that photo. Do you love the possessive clutch Ileana has on Alexei? He looks rather pleased with the attention--he probably didn't come into contact with girls who weren't sisters/cousins so he was probably lapping it up! LOL Since Ileana was the most normal of Marie's children, it may have been a good match.
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« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2004, 11:21:14 PM »
Well, they certainly deserved a chance they didn't get to see if they would suit as adults - and then to marry and have a family. I believe you can see the absence of someone who dies like Alexis did so very young - in the patterns of the lives that might have included him - such as Ileana. She was never able to find that true happiness in marriage as a result.

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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2004, 06:06:38 PM »
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Here are our little "fiancés"! Aren't they cute?



What a cute picture!  I believe it's from Prince Micheal's book Nicholas And Alexandra:  The Family Albums.  I got a copy of that book last month, and saw that picture there for the first time.

I have to agree with the remark concerning the fact that the two would have made a good couple, because it seemed that they shared traits of compassion and the ability to love.  It is indeed sad that neither one of them found happiness that they deserved.  


Dasha

PS  Lisa, thank you so much for sharing that picture with us.

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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2004, 11:26:38 AM »
Hi u guys over here discussing Princess Ileana! Indeed, this picture is terribly sweet. I am from Romania and i feel quite amazed i haven't found it anywhere before. Though i was quite sure it must've existed somewhere on the 'communication lines' of WWW...
It's not at all akward that so many people are interested in Ileana. she was indeed a beauty and also a very intelligent and brave woman. This is why i was rather amazed to find comments here on her alleged sympathy for the communist party. From what i've read on&by Queen Marie as well as from Ileana's own memoirs, i can assure you that all of Mary's children were brought up in the idea that there is no greater evil on earth than Communism, and no fiercer monsters than the leaders of the Russian revolution. Her comments on the issue are absolutely breathtaking, and even though over the years i have gone through dozens of well-documented books and articles on what communism meant, i have to admit that Mary manages to combine in the best possible way a literary valuable account with a politically and socially relevant commentary. As one of you has correctly pointed out, Q Mary had a very special relationship with the Tsar, relationship which dated back from her childhood visits to St. Petersburg. She was 1st degree cousin with both Alix (on her father's side) and Nicholas (on her mother's, GD Maria Alexandrovna). She completely revered Alix's sister, Ella. In her memoirs she dedicates endless pages to the impact the news of their killing had on herself as well as on her family. Over the years, she fostered immense hatred for Lenin as well as for his acollites.Taking in consideration the great influence Mary had on all her children, again, i must say it is doubtful that any of them or even of her grandchildren had any sympathy for Communists.
All in all, i very much doubt that a person as Ileana-who, from day one of Russian occupation (or call it 'liberation' :-/) of Romania, was systematically humilliated (together with all her family - including young king Michael and his mother Helen) and practically confined to her castle in Bran, could've have any sympathy for communist ideas whatsoever. The tiara you see on her head in that picture one of you considered as the most beautiful of her adult years, is the only valuable thing she managed to take with her out of the whole inheritance she received from her mother. She had to hide it in her pijamas and stuff it somewhere in her purse as communists search the members of the royal family on their forced departure to the point of humilliation. That tiara is practically the only thing that she had to sell in order to buy a house for her family and secure a living for the innitial period she lived in the US.
On the issue of her children being all failures. .it's a little harsh. Ileana is actually a good example of accomplished existence. even though she had to live far away from her home country, she did manage to lead a wonderful life and attain a level of inner piece most of her exiled relatives never found. In 1991 she made a visit to Bran, her former residence (that walls of which you can see in most of the sepia photos taken in her youth).
Nicholas married somewhere in Portugal, divorced and died there. they never brought his body back. Carol II-Q Mary's greatest dissappointment, died in Spain. His body was brought back to Romania in spring 2003 (with grat press coverage and much pomp) and burried in the royal necropolis at Curtea de Arges.
Mary, former Queen of Iugoslavia and Elisabeth of Greece both died in exile. their bodies were never brought back to the country.
Indeed, most of their lives in exile must've been a strain, but it's an exaggeration to say they were failures etc.
Regarding Mary's children being the results of adulteries. this is what anti-royalists said in Romania  after 1989 and what Q Mary's political opponents said back during her lifetime. many of you probably do not even grasp the intensity of misogynism in Romania at that time and also the extent to which Mary influenced politics. quite a few politicians deliberately tried to minimise her benefic contribution to WWI Romanian politics and even now, these ridiculous rumours (largely fed by her dazzling charisma and social success) are fuelled by various persons.
However, try not to be lured into anything you hear or read.

it any of you would like to know more about Ileana, the tsar's visit to Constanta, or about the Romanian royal family, please feel free to ask. i will be more than happy to answer. Maybe living in Romania will make my comments and explanations more comprehensive.
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« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2004, 11:46:21 AM »
Thanks for your comments, Naphtali!

In fact, I think at least one of the subjects you mentioned deserves a different topic heading. I'll post it under "The Hohenzollern" since I have questions about Constanza in general and the 1914 visit in particular.

As an aside, my mother's caregiver is from Romania and in fact is going back for a brief visit in September. However, she admits to not knowing much about Romania's history prior to Communism . . . apparently the schools were instructed to leave that information out of the curriculum?

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« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2004, 08:01:26 AM »
Janet,
please let me know when you will include that topic.
what your mother's caregiver said about people not knowing much from Romanian hisrory before 1945 is VERY true. now it's starting to get somewhat better, as the generations which were born a few years before 1989 and were schooled in a relatively free system (gen. in which i myself am included), are starting to grow up. However, i remember the years immediately subsequent to the revolution in December 1989 when many didn't even have an idea that Romania had had 4 kings between 1866 and 1947. My mother would take me downtown to see King Michael who was returning from exile right about that time (91-92) but the
neo-communist autorities would keep the crowds away and would systematically give people wrong indications in regard to the place in which KM could be seen. There was a time (at his first visits) when he would simply be 'invited' to leave the country before he would even have the time to get off the plane. A couple of years ago he was finally accepted on Romaian territory as permanent resident and now he even got some of his properties back. There is some talk about getting back Castle Peles, the most profitable museum in the country. anyway, this is relevant in order to see what a long way Romanians have come since 1989. People still don't know many things, but, slowly, history becomes a fully public domain. I guess however that no matter under what circumstances, if somebody really wants to KNOW something (the TRUTH-in Solzhenitzin's acception), he/she can find it.
The older generations kept some memories but the already-indoctrinated generations which had grown up under communism had their minds 'safeguarded' from any 'imperialist' info. Constitutional monarchy was mentioned and probably even studied in the academic milieu, but at the level of school textbooks little was said about it. King Carol I's name (Romania's first Hohenzollern monarch) was barely mentioned at the chapter about the Independence (Balkanic) War in 1877. It would be ridiculous to blame them for that, but, many of us just DIDN"T CARE. And probably this acceptancy is what got communism so far. Because, why not admit it, such a system was boud to fail from the very beggining. Only our fear, ignorance, oportunism and cowardice is what kept it going under the appeareance of a glorious dream. It's not something which has to do with a certain nation or place -this is valid for the whole world and in relation to most human tragedies.

ooooups!! i'm starting to sound serious..in fact these last 2 posts of mine have been excessively serious..but hey!..that's that. i really enjoy talkin' about these things
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yes, do ask anything u wanna know about Constanza (i like the way u people write it with a 'z'. we have a special sound for that. more sharp - something like 'TZ'

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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2004, 09:51:27 PM »
Ileana is one of my favorites of the Romania royal family.  i collect vintage European royalty postcards and have many of Ileana and her little brother, Mircea, who died when he was just a little boy.  

Ileana married Anton of Austria, they were divorced after having many children, 7 or 8, i think, and she eventually came to the United States and became the foundress of a monestary in Pennslyvania, I have corresponded with the Mother Superior, so to speak, of the monestary for several years.  

Ileana, and her sister Elizabeth, were once called the "red princesses" because they supposedly were "close" to the Nazis, I've always found that difficult to believe of Ileana, but not her sister who, to me, never seemed to be a very morally upright person!!!

Ileana was a beautiful young girl and, I think, her mother's dearest child.  I have her autobiography, which is just wonderful.  She spent many years in nursing and, I think, grew into an exceptional woman.

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« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2004, 04:05:54 AM »
Princessalice,
please do enlighten me insofar as some bibliography in lisabeth is concerned. I'd like the name of the source where you found the info on Elisabeth's difficult character. I heard some things about it, but Q Marie doesn't really insist on that one.

In regard to Ileana & Elisabeth..i think there must be some mistake there. If they were indeed called the 'red princesses'-red being the color of the communist revolution... :-[ what does the Nazi have to do with all of this?

Ileana had 6 children. She divorced her first husband and married some guy named Issarescu (by the way, does anyone know anything about him??) and after 3 or 4 years divorced this one as well.

+could anyone give a link to a site containing more photos from the visit to Constanza??
Thanx


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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2004, 12:45:19 AM »
In regards to the speculation of Ileana and Elisabeth being sympathetic to Communists and/or Nazi's...
I think that it was just slander... kind of like "McCarthyism" here in the US. People during that time were watching everyone and even the slightest lean in the radical direction (be it true or not) would mean that your name had a very good probability to land on a list for investigation. Just being investigated could ruin a reputation. Maybe this was the goal... to bring down the members of the royal house.

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« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2004, 08:49:29 AM »
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In regards to the speculation of Ileana and Elisabeth being sympathetic to Communists and/or Nazi's...
I think that it was just slander... kind of like "McCarthyism" here in the US. People during that time were watching everyone and even the slightest lean in the radical direction (be it true or not) would mean that your name had a very good probability to land on a list for investigation. Just being investigated could ruin a reputation. Maybe this was the goal... to bring down the members of the royal house.


Oh I do not think so at all.  I have interviewed living members of the Romanian royal family, the King himself, and this was discussed at great length...there is no McCarthyism" involved here, but plain and simple betrayal by Elisabeth and Ileana of her nephew and former sister-in-law.

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