Author Topic: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna  (Read 318189 times)

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Kurt Steiner

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #270 on: June 24, 2007, 11:58:23 AM »
I know it is not funny, but I wonder if the person who wrote that sentence really meant it that way. About the lady in question, I wonder what is doing her family. Greed is always dangerous.

Anyway, let's see what happens when someone says the magic words: "DNA Test".

 ;D

Sorry, I know that for the relatives of Anastasia this affair must be awfully painful, but I keep seeing the comic aspect of this situation -a really bad comedy-. In some way, all this fraud and impostor angers me, actually. But I prefer to laugh at that scum that plays with the dead rather than to get angered. They don't deserve anything. They're just that, scum.
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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #271 on: June 24, 2007, 08:26:47 PM »
This article was printed five years ago.

We've  talked about her some time ago.  Have no idea where that thread is.  Maybe in the "claimant" section.

I believe someone mentioned that she has died.

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Amanda_Misha

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« Reply #272 on: June 25, 2007, 07:17:36 PM »
It is a very strange link ???
Already there are no not that to invent for gaining  fame... >:(

Joyann1

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #273 on: July 13, 2007, 11:34:21 AM »
but there is still money on there banks right?

Annie

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #274 on: July 13, 2007, 02:36:50 PM »
but there is still money on there banks right?

I don't think there is or ever was. It seems like it was a rumor that led all those claimants to pretend to be a Romanov, but in the end there was nothing there. I'm not going to get into details I'm not sure of and post misinformation, but maybe someone more knowledgeable on the subject can explain.

Another reason I don't think it was there is because at the outbreak of WWI the Tsar allegedly repatriated all his money from foreign banks to Russia to help its economy for the war effort, and urged all other rich people do to the same. So it was all in Russia when it fell, and everyone lost everything. I'm sure those emigres' wished they still had their western European bank accounts later, but they didn't have any idea how badly things would turn out in Russia.

Alixz

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« Reply #275 on: July 13, 2007, 10:20:45 PM »
Here is a quote from a footnote in The Final Chapter by Robert Massie page 185.

"Baring Brothers did not deny that for seventy years it held millions of pounds in Russian money.  On November 7, 1917, the day the Bolsheviks seized power, the British government froze 4 million pounds deposited at Baring Brothers by the Imperial government.  Over the years, interest ballooned this sum to 62 million pounds.  In July 1986, in the era of glasnost and perestroika, the governments of Mikhail Gorbachev and Margaret Thatcher decided to wipe the slate clean and use this sum to pay off British holders of Russian Imperial bonds and British and Commonwealth claimants who had lost property or other assets in Russia because of the revolution.  The list of claimants was very long: 37,000.  The list of property was even longer: 60,000.  It ran in importance from oil wells, banks, factories, insurance companies, ships, gold, and copper and coal mines to personal jewelry, furniture, automobiles, and bank balances.  One claimant demanded reimbursement for five dozen pair of stockings left behind, another for season tickets for ten performances of the opera which he was unable to attend because of the revolution."

"Between 1987 and 1990, these claims were investigated, values established, and exchange rates calculated.  Eventually, bondholders and property owners were compensated at a rate of 54.78 percent of their original value. The existence of this large sum of "tsarist government money" may or may not have been the source of the rumors about "Romanov family money."

Robert_Hall

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #276 on: July 14, 2007, 11:54:05 AM »
This would have been funds of the Imperial Government, not  the Imperial Family.

Alixz

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« Reply #277 on: July 15, 2007, 09:33:00 AM »
The existence of this large sum of "tsarist government money" may or may not have been the source of the rumors about "Romanov family money."

Robert,

Thanks.  I think that is what Massie was pointing out in his footnote.  That there was money in Baring Brothers Bank but it was not personal family money, but money that belonged to the tsarist government.  However the footnote goes on to say:

"Even today, there are those who argue that, because the tsar was titled Autocrat of all the Russia, he personally owned Russia: land, property, bank accounts - everything.  The deposits at Baring Brothers, these people say, therefore belonged to him or his heirs.  Russian constitutional law does not support this opinion."

I wonder, though, about Russian constitutional law.  Russia did not have a constitution when Nicholas II ruled.  It did not have a constitution when it was the Soviet Union.  If this is being based on the constitution that Russia has since the fall of the Soviet Union, would there be any legal contradiction to applying the law of a constitution that did not exist when the money was deposited in Baring's and then frozen by them?

Further, if Baring Brothers Bank had assets, what then precludes other banks in other countries from also still having funds when the October Revolution caused Baring Brothers to "freeze" this money?

I can see how all of the rumors could have been started and why.  Also, because there is another story that Alix told someone that if the family were exiled they would not have to beg for money because they had assets in Britain.

I am in no way stating an opinion that there was or was not money in any bank in any country, but I can see why some would think so.  And since Marie Feodorovna refused to believe or allow anyone else to accept the fact that her son and his family had been executed, no one else would have the authority to force the banks to open their records.

Since having money would have allowed not only Marie Feodorovna and Xenia Alexandrovna and Olga Alexandrovna but others who were close to destitute to live more comfortably and without aid from George V or any other source it would have made sense for these exiles to have applied to various banks for the funds.  But, I also understand Marie Feodorovna, as a mother and grandmother, not wanting to believe in the execution.  That is a truth that was just to horrible for her to bear.

Robert_Hall

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #278 on: July 15, 2007, 09:57:45 AM »
Well, the Emperor ruled by manifesto, but he had abdicated, had he not?  Therefore any monies belonging to the government were no longer within his rights, were they?
 Yes, Alixz,  I can see where the rumours of fortunes came about. They were just that, though, rumours. If people bothered to look at the realities, they would have seen that, imo.

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« Reply #279 on: July 30, 2007, 12:24:38 PM »

to pay off British holders of Russian Imperial bonds and British and Commonwealth claimants who had lost property or other assets in Russia because of the revolution. 
"Between 1987 and 1990, these claims were investigated, values established, and exchange rates calculated.  Eventually, bondholders and property owners were compensated at a rate of 54.78 percent of their original value. The existence of this large sum of "tsarist government money" may or may not have been the source of the rumors about "Romanov family money."

I have a Tsarist bond, I wonder if it is worth anything?  ???

charley

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #280 on: July 30, 2007, 12:30:18 PM »
Does anyone have a picture of this Natalya Bilikhodze?  I'd like to see what she looks like.
I found this article about her as well.
http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/06/12/30188_.html
The thing that interested me, was not about her, but the statement, "To examine these tsar’s daughters, the Geneva bank created an identification service, though nobody of the former candidates could pass the exam."  I know the source is PRAVDA, but has anyone ever heard about this elsewhere?

Alixz

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #281 on: July 30, 2007, 02:30:29 PM »
charley,

What a story!!  It covers just about everything and has an explanation for just about everything!

I have never seen a picture of this woman, but I'll keep looking.

Robert_Hall

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #282 on: July 30, 2007, 04:06:48 PM »
What a crackpot.   The GD Vladimir is not buried in the  Tsar's vaults, btw. He is in the Grand Ducal vaults. Does this story never end? Swiss bank accounts?

dmitri

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #283 on: July 31, 2007, 03:35:18 AM »
Sadly no Robert. There are plenty of deluded ones around unfortunately.

PrincessSophie

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #284 on: August 11, 2007, 06:51:44 AM »
Yes all these frauds are sad. It makes me wonder about the minds of people who actually believe in them. They are even more to be pitied.

I have to ask, Dmitri.  Are you a relative?