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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #315 on: September 12, 2007, 06:53:20 PM »
No,of course not.  However, such research may be able to tell  just who the young lady was.  Where she was heading and who was to look after her.  I do not believe for one second that she was a Romanov Grand Duchess. You know me far better than that!

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« Reply #316 on: September 12, 2007, 07:04:14 PM »
I do not believe for one second that she was a Romanov Grand Duchess. You know me far better than that!

Of course I knew, I just had to say it! :-)

At least this story is somewhat different than the old "I was saved by one of the executioners and escaped across Europe" tale... You've got to give it that. I am pretty sure this guy's father probably even saw someone who he thought was the GD on that ship... Well, why not, this story is no worse than any of the others, why shouldn't it be publicized too?

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« Reply #317 on: September 12, 2007, 07:33:30 PM »
Most likely, if the incident did , indeed occur, it was merely a matter of mistaken identity.

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« Reply #318 on: September 12, 2007, 07:52:59 PM »
Yes perhaps a nice cup of Russian Caravan Tea?

Excellent choice Dmitri.

Please warm the samovar and then we can generously pour out the truth.

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #319 on: September 12, 2007, 08:01:14 PM »
I do not believe for one second that she was a Romanov Grand Duchess. You know me far better than that!

Of course I knew, I just had to say it! :-)

At least this story is somewhat different than the old "I was saved by one of the executioners and escaped across Europe" tale... You've got to give it that. I am pretty sure this guy's father probably even saw someone who he thought was the GD on that ship... Well, why not, this story is no worse than any of the others, why shouldn't it be publicized too?

Mr Shaw's timing about revealing his late father's "recollections" relating to his unsubstantiated impressions can not be ignored.

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« Reply #320 on: September 12, 2007, 08:16:41 PM »
Well, he probably did not believe it himself.   Just a family story he told to a reporter who needed something to put in the local paper. I would not take it seriously at all. Unless one wanted to find out who the girl might really have been.

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« Reply #321 on: September 12, 2007, 08:45:53 PM »
Well, he probably did not believe it himself.   Just a family story he told to a reporter who needed something to put in the local paper. I would not take it seriously at all. Unless one wanted to find out who the girl might really have been.

Does it really matter who that girl was? There were plenty of refugees, young and old fleeing to safety in many boats.

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« Reply #322 on: September 12, 2007, 09:06:20 PM »
It might to some people, who are into that sort of thing. Immigrant research.  She was a person, after all.  She might have had an interesting story of her own, sans  Romanov. That is, assuminmg she actuially existed. There are many people who do this sort of research as a hobby. I, for one, am not one of them, however.

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« Reply #323 on: September 13, 2007, 03:56:05 AM »
From my perspective, assuming the gist of the story is correct ie that a group of RN sailors were sent in civilian clothes to escort a group of people out of Vladivostok, is who these people were and what was the British interest in them?  The Royal Navy did embark surviving members of the Royal Family from the Crimea in 1919 on HMS Marlborough, but the British were generally very loath to take other Russian refugees - which is why most ended up in Paris, Berlin or stuck in Turkey in refugee camps until resettled in Eastern Europe in the 1920's.  If a group were taken out clandestinely then who were they and to what purpose?

The British had many irons in the Russian fire at this time, including a well financed plan to purchase Russian Banks and industry in anticipation of a White victory.  If the Whites had won then Britain would have had a huge financial empire in Siberia and the Don Valley that would have equalled or exceeded India - and all legal and obtained at little cost in (British) lives.  Perhaps these people were the children of the Russian financiers and industrialists who sold their shares and capital interests to the British - we'll probably never know, unfortunately.

And I don't, unfortunately, have time to go looking.

Phil Tomaselli

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #324 on: September 19, 2007, 08:35:09 PM »
Anderson has one thing in common with Anastasia. They are both dead.

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« Reply #325 on: September 20, 2007, 03:59:27 PM »
Yes Dmitri that is one thing we all can agree upon with the two their both dead Anna Anderson and Anastasia there is no doubt about that.

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« Reply #326 on: September 21, 2007, 08:18:44 AM »
In response to "Yes but Anna Anderson's eyes a different from that of Anastasia that is the major difference in their looks in the nose and lips are very similar. The photos were digitally edited to make her look more like Anastasia she does look like her in the photo except for those large eyes Anna Anderson. Yes one can think that Anna Anderson is Anastasia one they look at those photos with the digitally edit appearances change to look like Anastasia. The eyes may give one a doubt becuase they are different. I realy would think that after someone looked at the photo they would have thought Anna Anderson is Anastasia."

Anna Anderson was a "dead ringer" for Anastasia.

And I don't think they had digital editing in the 1920s, 30s, etc!

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« Reply #327 on: September 21, 2007, 12:12:22 PM »

She really didn't look much like her, the mouth was very different. The lips are the part that looks least like AN.

Look at this comparison on Annie's site. It shows how they really don't look alike and AA supporters used clever tricks to make her appear to look more like Anastasia. IMO Anna Anderson is a dead ringer for FS.

http://www.freewebs.com/anastasiafranziska/photographiccomparisons.htm

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« Reply #328 on: September 21, 2007, 04:20:57 PM »
Thanks for posting that, I think I make a very good case that they didn't look alike and the pics were posed or conveniently shadowed.  When you really look at the pics and compare features  it's hard to think how anyone could ever think they look alike.

Poor Princess in Kazan, AA has taken her thread too as she has all others :P

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« Reply #329 on: September 21, 2007, 06:10:25 PM »

Ferrymansdaughter, I am not talking about them doing digital editing on the pictures like in reccent years of course not in the 1920's becuase they had no computer. It was done around the time that computer was around of course. I am not talking about that!
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