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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #345 on: June 24, 2008, 09:18:19 PM »
Hello,

I am not aware of the time line for Anna Anderson from when she disappeared in Poland to when she turned up in Berlin myself but I suppose at the time he made his report he might have thought AA was the Polish worker, as we know she was, and that explained her knowledge of the family via the guards etc. Also we know there were cleaners as they came in either the day before the murders or the day of the murders to scrub the first floor with the help of some of the Grand Duchesses. We all speak with hindsight but of course he would have made his remarks from information available at the time and Anna Anderson had not been researched then I believe? It may be a case of putting two and two together but getting five.

Has anyone ever written a book about Anna Anderson and her claims for a critical point of view rather than a supporters point of view as that would be quite intresting with what we all know now.

I cannot see a reason why he would lie and he must have told what he believed to be the truth at the time?
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« Reply #346 on: June 25, 2008, 01:59:22 PM »
Has anyone ever written a book about Anna Anderson and her claims for a critical point of view rather than a supporters point of view as that would be quite intresting with what we all know now.

http://www.amazon.com/Romanov-Fantasy-Life-Court-Anderson/dp/0393065774/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214420332&sr=1-1

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« Reply #347 on: June 29, 2008, 12:23:18 PM »
From the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (2004 Online Edition):

Wilfred Dunderdale:  Dec 24, 1899 - Nov 13, 1990

Dunderdale, Wilfred Albert (1899–1990), intelligence officer, was born in Russia on 24 December 1899, the son of Richard Albert Dunderdale, a British shipowner, whose vessels traded between Constantinople and the Russian ports on the Black Sea, and his wife, Sophie. He was educated in Russia, at the Gymnasium in Nikolayev, Ukraine, and was studying naval engineering at Petrograd University when the Russian Revolution broke out in 1917. Much of the Russian navy remained in White Russian hands. Dunderdale was contacted by the Royal Navy, who found his great knowledge of the Russian language and the Russian navy invaluable.

At this time Constantinople, where Dunderdale had numerous friends, had been occupied by the allies. On one occasion in 1919 a submarine was being handed over by the allies to the White Russian navy. Dunderdale discovered that the crew were Bolsheviks who intended to murder the tsarist officers together with the liaison officer (himself) as soon as the vessel sailed. The crew was arrested and Dunderdale was appointed MBE in 1920. In the same year he became a sub-lieutenant in the Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve. During this period he was also sent as the British observer and interpreter to accompany the imperial procurator on his investigation into the murder of the Russian imperial family at Yekaterinburg, which had been recaptured by the White Russian army. As a result he remained convinced of the falseness of the pretender Anastasia, who he said was merely the Polish girlfriend of one of the Bolshevik gaolers who had occasionally done some sewing for the tsarina.

The world of Constantinople, from the end of the First World War until Kemal Atatürk deposed Sultan Muhammad in 1922, was one of classical Byzantine intrigue on a grand scale. The only stabilizing factor was the heavy guns of the Royal Navy, which were trained on the centre of the city. Dunderdale was in his element and in 1921 he was recruited by MI6, with whom he remained until 1959. He had found his spiritual home. He always maintained that his first job for MI6 was to pay off, with gold sovereigns, all the foreign members of the sultan's harem and to repatriate them through the good offices of the Royal Navy.


[SNIP] [Rest of the article discusses his life from 1921 until his death in 1990.]

John Bruce Lockhart, rev.

Sources 

personal knowledge (1996) · private information (1996) · The Times (16 Nov 1990) · CGPLA Eng. & Wales (1991)
Wealth at death 

£199,876—effects in England: probate, 23 April 1991, CGPLA Eng. & Wales


Notice that the author is this article is John Bruce Lockhart, a relative of R. H. Bruce Lockhart, who figures in such books as Nicholas & Alexandra.

Anyway, I hope this information helps somewhat.  If the sources for this story are "personal knowledge" and "private information" I imagine the next step might be to attempt to contact Lord Bruce-Lockhart.

**I've modified my post a bit to remove some of the article.  Hopefully this will help keep me within fair use rules.  If anybody would like the entire article, I will be happy to email it to them individually.  Doing that is within fair use.

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« Reply #348 on: June 30, 2008, 08:49:55 PM »
Could you send me the article if that's not to much trouble?
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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #349 on: November 04, 2008, 03:21:00 PM »
Dunderdale's obituary was in the Times on Nov 16 1990
His father Richard who by the way was my great grand father. was as it states a ship owner from Odessa
but what it does not say is that he was the Russian representative of vickers
at 16 biffy had something to do with partially completed submarines from the electric boat company Now i nearly missed this one
 summer 1916 the second batch for the imperial navy ,contract 602-gf the hulls were made by vickers
PLEASE bear with me
so we have connections with vickers and subs  that may be used in a rescue attempt.
Biffy may have gone to Yekaterinburg I have been told that he was there?But they would not say if it was for the British or on behalf of some one else.
also he worked in with a Harold Gibson also born in Russia  when he was working with the Poles.
Can some one please help me  put this all together  i have some information that has not come out about him  or let me see any information you might have    thanks wilski.
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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #350 on: November 10, 2008, 05:10:13 AM »
Look at a Eugenie Smith:


She dosen´t look like Anastasia

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« Reply #351 on: January 11, 2009, 07:25:34 AM »
hi!!!  you ha the photos of this claimant??? thank you!

Take a look at this, there is a photo of her in this topic:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=895.90
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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #352 on: January 11, 2009, 07:49:30 AM »

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« Reply #353 on: January 11, 2009, 10:42:55 AM »
This is everything that I have found today, I'm sorry...however I will intensify my searches.

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #354 on: January 16, 2009, 10:25:52 AM »
Exactly. The facial features don't match. How can she claim she was Nastya? Obviously pretending for fame and fortune.

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« Reply #355 on: January 16, 2009, 10:37:06 AM »
ivonova vasileva is anastasia?

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« Reply #356 on: January 16, 2009, 01:27:00 PM »
ivonova vasileva is anastasia?

No, she isn't. All the claimants were fake. Anastasia died along with her family in the night of July 1918. All this was proven by both American and Russian scientists.

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #357 on: January 16, 2009, 01:38:27 PM »
Exactly. The facial features don't match. How can she claim she was Nastya? Obviously pretending for fame and fortune.

One cannot deny the fame part but as to the fortune, I don't believe Eugenia Smith got rich posing as a Russian Grand Duchess. To me she looks much more like the girls than did Anna Anderson.

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #358 on: January 16, 2009, 04:15:24 PM »
Well, her story, the way she acted when trying to prove her claim was actually less convincing than AA. But neither of these women was Anastasia.

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #359 on: January 24, 2009, 02:40:32 PM »


One cannot deny the fame part but as to the fortune, I don't believe Eugenia Smith got rich posing as a Russian Grand Duchess. To me she looks much more like the girls than did Anna Anderson.

I agree with you, Lisa. Anastasia's name is not a business.

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