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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #90 on: November 05, 2005, 11:25:59 AM »


Yes, she was the prettiest of Isabel's daughter's. Yes, she was in love with the Prince Imperial and the latter's mother, Eugenia, promoted the marriage, even though her son wasn't much in favour. However, the marriage could have eventually happened if the Prince Imperial hadn't been killed in Africa, quickly followed by Pilar's early death!

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« Reply #91 on: November 05, 2005, 11:28:28 AM »
Pity...She would have made a lovely bride. In fact, Eulalia wrote that she was quite beloved in the family and had a quiet temperment.

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« Reply #92 on: November 05, 2005, 11:53:26 AM »
Alfonso XII used to say that, in his home, his siter Isabel represented the pride of the family, Pilar the sweetness, Paz, the tranquilityand Eulalia the happiness.

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« Reply #93 on: November 06, 2005, 07:04:19 AM »
Yes Alfonso XII did love his sisters very much. He was especially close with Paz, Pilar and Eulalia, who were closer to him in age. "La Chata" is a bit older...

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« Reply #94 on: November 10, 2005, 09:21:03 AM »
I like Isabella II in all the laces and flounces, it was an imposing sight and fun as well.
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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #95 on: November 11, 2005, 02:39:43 AM »
IMHO, she looks too fat and sometimes funny in all the light laces and flounces.

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« Reply #96 on: November 11, 2005, 05:36:09 AM »
Yes...but Isabel la II was a funny and dramatic lady, and black was to boring for her nature. Her wigs are funny looking too...

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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #97 on: November 11, 2005, 03:19:30 PM »
I am agree with Eric, the laces and flounces were a piece of her personality.


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« Reply #98 on: December 02, 2005, 09:56:59 AM »
DON FRANCISCO DE ASIS MARIA FERNANDO DE BORBÓN

Born 13 May 1822 Aranjuez, Madrid, Spain
Died 16 April 1902 Epinay-Sur-Seine, Seine, France

Duque de Cádiz
King Consort of Spain 1846-1868




He was the son of Francisco de Paula de Borbón, Duque de Cádiz (1794-1865), and Luisa Carlota di Borbone, Principessa dei Due Sicilie (1804-1844). He married Isabel II, Reina de España (1830-1904), daughter of Fernando VII, Rey de España (1784-1833), and Maria Cristina di Borbone, Principessa dei Due Sicilie (1806-1878), on 10 October 1846 in Madrid, Spain.

Is it true that he was a homosexual?
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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #99 on: March 22, 2006, 01:45:37 AM »
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I'm Spanish and Isabella II remains one of the most unpopular Spanish moanrchs in Modern History (not counting her own father Ferdinand VII, Alfonso XIII and her grandfather Carlos IV). After her abdication and Spain's "false" meddling with Republicanism (I say False because most members of Parliament were Monarchists and the eventually voted for a Monarch, her son, to occupy the vacant throne after Amadeo of Savoy's abdication), she exiled herself in Paris in the Basiliewsky Palace, which was then baptised as the "Palacio de Castilla". Her youngest children, namely Eulalia and Pilar, had a better level of French than of Spanish since they were practically brought up in France (Pilar died young, but Eulalia married an Orléans cousin; her memoirs -written in Spanish- are full of errors, "contaminated" by French mistakes). Queen Isabel returned very seldom to Spain and did not really approve of her son Alfonso XII's marriage to his cousin Mercedes of Orléans. She much preferred his second wife, the dry Cristina of Austria, and was very close to her son's grandchildren after his death in 1885. Her death was much noticed in Spain (1904) but remains one of the alrgest headaches for us Spanish students :P


I'm still unsure about why Isabel II was deposed. It sounds like she wanted to go in some direction the political leadership was opposed to. Did she want to go in the direction of absolute power?

Did she want to press modernization of Spain when the ruling political leaders did not?

Was she unable to provide strong leadership when the political process became unstable?

What made her so unpopular and makes her unpopular today?

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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #100 on: April 06, 2006, 05:54:49 AM »
Isabel reigned for a total of 35 years (the first few during two regencies); on the whole I think that period was a disaster. Politically she was very unstable and was almost dethroned in 1854; Spain was hardly modernised at all while other countries like Great Britain or Italy where knowing advantageous changes.

Plus, the fact that she was a woman had prompted civil war ever since she became queen, and she remained quite unpopular; alas, she did little to solve the problem, and was often the subject to caricature. To this you have to add the comic figure of her feeble husband, Francisco de Asís, and the fact that she kept so many lovers that many of her children are thought to be the ultimate product of these extramarital relationships.

In fact, such is the inbred percentage of her children that it has been suggested that those that survived childhood were actually NOT the children of her husband (and not all of the same father by any means).

Her first child, a son, lived only a few hours, but was totally healthy. Unfortunately it was in breech position and may have suffocated during birth. For the occasion many courtiers had assembled to proclaim the child Prince or Princess of Asturias, regardless of its sex. A year later the Queen produced a daughter, Isabel (later Countess of Girgenti). In 1854 a girl, María Cristina, was born, but died shortly after her christening when she was just three days old. Here is a detailed list of Isabel II's children.

1. A son, sometimes refered to as Francisco de Asís or Francico de Asís Leopoldo; born on July 12 1850 in Madrid; he died the same evening. The Queen had gone into labour shortly before making her daily afternoon walk.

2. María Isabel Francisca (plus many other names), born on December 12th 1851 in Madrid; she married her distant cousin, Gaetano of Bourbon-Two Sicilies and became through marriage Countess of Girgenti. She was also twice Princess of Asturias (from her birth till that of her brother Alfonso, and from his accession to the throne in 1874 till the birth of his first daughter Mercedes). After her husband's violent death she continued to attend her public duties and died in Paris shortly after the proclamation of the II republic in Spain in 1931.

3. María Cristina was born on January 5th 1854 and died shortly after her christening three days later.

4. Miscarried child on September 23 1855.

5. Francisco de Asís leopoldo, born and died on 21 June 1856.

6. Alfonso XII, future King of Spain, born in 1857 and died of tuberculosis in 1885.

7.  María de la Concepción, born in 1859 and died in 1861. She died of internal brain stroke.

8. María del Pilar, born in 1861 and died in 1879 in Guipúzcoa.

9. María de la Paz (1862-1946) was married to her cousin Ludwig Ferdinand of Bavaria. Had three children. She died after falling down the stairs in Nymphenburg Palace, Munich.

10. María Eulalia (1864-1958) married her cousin Antonio, Duke of galliera. They had two sons before separating. Her behaviour was often the subject of criticism within the palace.

11. Francisco de Asís (24 January 1866 - 14 February 1866) was the Queen's last child. She was 36 at the time.

The Queen herself died of flue and chronic bronchitis in 1904, twoyears after her husband.

Hope it helps, though the facts may have already been submitted.

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« Reply #101 on: September 23, 2006, 08:42:37 AM »
I was just browsing Infanta Paz's (1862-1946) article on Wikipedia (German version :http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_de_la_Paz_von_Spanien) and was VERY surprised to see that in the article it states she and her husband, Prince Louis Ferdinand, had FOUR  :o children! Ferdinand Maria (1884-1958), Adalbert (1886-1970), Maria del Pilar (1891-1987) and FRIEDA AMALIA (1886-1945), who married someone called Ernst Helft and had two children by him, Ilse and Horst. I know this must be some sort of error. In 1886 Infanta Paz gave birth to her son Adalbert. I have checked the Almanach de Gotha I have from 1902 and she is evidently not listed. Plus, only the article in German gives such information... Who was this Frieda Amalia in reality?
"Frieda Amalia wurde im Jahre 1886 als Tochter des Prinzen Ferdinand Maria Ludwig von Bayern und seiner Gattin Maria de la Paz, Infantin von Spanien.

Als sich Frieda Amalia 1910 in den Bürger und Metzger Ernst Heft verliebte, sich jedoch nicht mehr mit ihm treffen durfte (weil er ein Bürgerlicher war), riss sie zusammen mit ihrem Liebsten aus und heiratete ihn schließlich am 13. Juni 1912. Als ihre Eltern dies erfuhren waren Sie so erbost, dass sie Frieda Amalia aus der Königlichen Familie ausschlossen. Seither wurde sie nicht mehr schriftlich oder anderweitig erwähnt. Frieda Amalia war eine der ersten Prinzessinen die ausrissen und das Leben als Bürgerliche wählten. Sie war somit eine Revolutionärin.

Zusammen bekamen Frieda Amalia und ihr Mann Ernst Heft zwei Kinder:

    * Ilse (gest. 1984) oo Kurt Ledig (gest. 1989)
    * Horst (gest. 2001)

1945 starb Frieda Amalia."

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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #102 on: September 24, 2006, 09:13:34 AM »
Dear cimbrio,

as I live in Bavaria, I am very interested in the Bavarian Royal Family. I have a lot of books and sources, but I've never heard of a Princess called "Frieda Amalia". What a name ... just imagine "Princess Frieda of Bavaria"!  ;D This is definitely nonsense.
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Re: Queen Isabel (Isabella) II of Spain and her family
« Reply #103 on: September 28, 2006, 02:24:26 PM »


Which proves my point:  Wikipedia is not the place to go for information.  Anyone can write an entry and submit it.  Obviously the case here -

I was just browsing Infanta Paz's (1862-1946) article on Wikipedia (German version :http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_de_la_Paz_von_Spanien) and was VERY surprised to see that in the article it states she and her husband, Prince Louis Ferdinand, had FOUR  :o children! Ferdinand Maria (1884-1958), Adalbert (1886-1970), Maria del Pilar (1891-1987) and FRIEDA AMALIA (1886-1945), who married someone called Ernst Helft and had two children by him, Ilse and Horst. I know this must be some sort of error. In 1886 Infanta Paz gave birth to her son Adalbert. I have checked the Almanach de Gotha I have from 1902 and she is evidently not listed. Plus, only the article in German gives such information... Who was this Frieda Amalia in reality?
"Frieda Amalia wurde im Jahre 1886 als Tochter des Prinzen Ferdinand Maria Ludwig von Bayern und seiner Gattin Maria de la Paz, Infantin von Spanien.

Als sich Frieda Amalia 1910 in den Bürger und Metzger Ernst Heft verliebte, sich jedoch nicht mehr mit ihm treffen durfte (weil er ein Bürgerlicher war), riss sie zusammen mit ihrem Liebsten aus und heiratete ihn schließlich am 13. Juni 1912. Als ihre Eltern dies erfuhren waren Sie so erbost, dass sie Frieda Amalia aus der Königlichen Familie ausschlossen. Seither wurde sie nicht mehr schriftlich oder anderweitig erwähnt. Frieda Amalia war eine der ersten Prinzessinen die ausrissen und das Leben als Bürgerliche wählten. Sie war somit eine Revolutionärin.

Zusammen bekamen Frieda Amalia und ihr Mann Ernst Heft zwei Kinder:

    * Ilse (gest. 1984) oo Kurt Ledig (gest. 1989)
    * Horst (gest. 2001)

1945 starb Frieda Amalia."
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« Reply #104 on: September 30, 2006, 10:51:42 AM »
Whhat nonsense...a Bavarian royal named Frieda?

Wikipedia is a nice site...no doubt...but should not be taken verbatim...

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