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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #75 on: September 11, 2006, 02:50:32 AM »
But, is it true that he wanted an other of his daughters to marry Alfonso??

Thanks in advance Eric

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #76 on: September 11, 2006, 02:59:36 AM »
I bet he would...However Mercedes was Alfonso's sweetheart. It would be unbearable to choose another sister to replce her. Anyway the remaining sister (I think) was inferior in beauty compared with the lovely Mercedes.  :(

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« Reply #77 on: September 11, 2006, 11:16:05 AM »
A new marriage of Alfonso with one of the Montpensier sisters was indeed discussed and it almost nearly took place. Alfonso chose to marry his cousin and sister-in-law María Cristina, who was five years his senior. But this infanta died within a few months of tuberculosis and Montpensier's ambitions were finally shattered!

In that list of the Montpensier children another one should be included: infante Luis María, who lived between 1867 and 1874.

About Luis Fernando de Orleans, he must have been a very unstable man. He was almost a drag queen in his younger years and he had a public affair with a Portuguese nobleman (whose name I haven't been able to find out!) with whom he engaged in parties in which alcohol, drugs and sexual orgies where involved. Because of his scandals, he was stripped of his title of Infante by Alfonso XIII and he cut off with his family. When he ran out of money he married Marie Say, who was 31 years older and very rich. After spending all her money, he abandoned her with all his debts and started a new life of parties and sexual adventures. In 1939 he announced to the press that he was intending to divorce his wife in order to marry Thelma Atterby a very rich Northamerican citizen aged 20 (he was 51). Thelma's family came quickly to Europe in order to save their young relative of Luis's spending habits... After putting away this idea, he returned from time to time to his wife's house, where he would talk with her an ask for sugar (Marie was the granddaughter of a man who had been very rich because of his sugar industry!). His died in 1945 without any relative (as far as I know) attending his burial and funeral.

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #78 on: September 11, 2006, 10:26:22 PM »
I don't think Maria Cristina was in love with Alfonso, but with someone else...

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #79 on: September 12, 2006, 04:05:04 AM »
I didn't say she wasn't but they were going to get married, nevertheless... You know, Eric, that love in royal marriages was extremely rare then...

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #80 on: September 12, 2006, 11:37:57 AM »
Mercedes and Alfonso was a love match...No question about that !  >:(

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #81 on: September 12, 2006, 04:44:35 PM »

I didn't question that, either... ;)

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #82 on: September 12, 2006, 09:31:10 PM »
Yet you said it was rare...Alfonso and Mercedes had the magic (Read Infanta Paz's and Eularlia's memoirs on how loving the couple was...). Anyway most of the girls in the Montpensier family were sickly and seemed not to make old bones. It was fitting that Queen Isabel II took over and arranged the match with Austria (with another maria Cristina).  ;)

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #83 on: September 13, 2006, 04:28:25 AM »
Well, I said it was rare because it was indeed rare... By the way, I thought it was infanta doña Isabel, la Chata, who arranged Alfonso's marriage to Maria Cristina of Austria??

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« Reply #84 on: September 14, 2006, 10:04:41 PM »
iT was an okay match for Alfonso XII, but Maria Cristina fell in love with her husband... :(

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #85 on: September 18, 2006, 05:09:08 AM »
Perhaps this has been discussed, but I don't remember reading it and a friend from here who is an expert on royalty could not answer my question. Why didn't Alfonso and Beatrice ask for permission to marry? I have some idea they got permission from Alfonso XIII privately, but the Cortes were never informed. Why is that? I am surprised they went off to marry in Coburg and were outcasts for a time from the Spanish Court. I don't think they would have objected Beatrice becoming future Duchess of Galiera since she was of VERY royal birth (a granddaughter of a Tsar and of a Queen of England....). Can anyone forward proof (books, references, etc)?
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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #86 on: September 18, 2006, 08:53:59 AM »
Perhaps this has been discussed, but I don't remember reading it and a friend from here who is an expert on royalty could not answer my question. Why didn't Alfonso and Beatrice ask for permission to marry? I have some idea they got permission from Alfonso XIII privately, but the Cortes were never informed. Why is that? I am surprised they went off to marry in Coburg and were outcasts for a time from the Spanish Court. I don't think they would have objected Beatrice becoming future Duchess of Galiera since she was of VERY royal birth (a granddaughter of a Tsar and of a Queen of England....). Can anyone forward proof (books, references, etc)?
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You can find the answers in Ricardo Mateos Sainz de Medrano's books "Los desconocidos infantes de Espana" and "Los infantes de Andalucia".
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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #87 on: September 18, 2006, 03:31:44 PM »
Could you describe what she wore Marlene? Also, did Ali marry in civilian clothes or uniform?
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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #88 on: September 18, 2006, 04:30:49 PM »
They didn't run off to Coburg -- that's where Beatrice lived.  Baby Bee  was one of my favorites.  There was certainly an issue about her religion because she would not covert (eventually did some years later.)

Even more strange, is that they never asked the British sovereign to marry according to the royal marriages act and Bee was a Britsh princess

 
Perhaps this has been discussed, but I don't remember reading it and a friend from here who is an expert on royalty could not answer my question. Why didn't Alfonso and Beatrice ask for permission to marry? I have some idea they got permission from Alfonso XIII privately, but the Cortes were never informed. Why is that? I am surprised they went off to marry in Coburg and were outcasts for a time from the Spanish Court. I don't think they would have objected Beatrice becoming future Duchess of Galiera since she was of VERY royal birth (a granddaughter of a Tsar and of a Queen of England....). Can anyone forward proof (books, references, etc)?
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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #89 on: September 18, 2006, 09:09:58 PM »
Marlene. I haven't seen any photos of Bee's wedding. If that existed it would have been VERY rare indeed . ???