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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #90 on: September 18, 2006, 10:58:42 PM »


I have the print right in front of me - it is a group photo with the bride and groom and families.


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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #91 on: September 19, 2006, 01:40:36 AM »
Was Bee in a veil ? I noticed a lot of people used the 1909 christening of Alvaro in Coburg as a wedding photo (did double check with Ricardo Mateos Sainz Medrano on this). The only clincher was Infanta Eulalia was present in the photo (while she was not at the wedding).  ???

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #92 on: September 22, 2006, 05:48:26 PM »
I've found some interesting information regarding Luis Fernando. The scandal in France, involving the death of a sailor, was not the main reason of King Alphonso wrath that deprived him of his title of Infante. A column of a prominent Paris newspaper published that the scandalous nobleman was not Luis Fernando but The Prince Of Asturias, King Alfonso's heir. A picture of him was printed too! I guess that was too much for the King  :D
About her singular mother, Infanta Eulalia, they say that during his years in Paris she lived in a way that it was so highly disapproved by the Spanish monarch that the staff of the Spanish embassy in Paris received orders not to attend at her residence when invited  :o
About Beatrice Coburg, at some point, she was suspected of being an English spy, as well as Queen Ena.
Has anyone read the book "Diario de la guerra de España" (Diaries of Spain's War) by Scott-Ellis, Priscilla? The autor is a British aristocrat who, at 21, decided to be a nurse at the National Army despite her poor professional preparation. It talks about her relationship with Infante Alfonso of Orléans-Borbón, Beatrice and their sons: Alvaro, Ataulfo and Alfonso. Sounds very interesting.
Thank you Isabel for the pic. I wonder if there are more photos of Luis. He was a regular at parties and he married a famous and rich woman so I guess more pics should exist. Maybe it's not possible to upload them due to copyright issues but I'd like to know if someone here have them at least  ;)


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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #93 on: September 23, 2006, 09:14:11 AM »
Interesting ! I wonder if the book on priscilla is still available ? It would be nice to hear about them from other sources... :D

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #94 on: September 23, 2006, 03:48:20 PM »
I was reading a book today which referenced the Montpensiers or one of them.  Is this family Spanish, French or both. 

There must have been many members of the family becuase I constantly see the named referenced.

If anyone has any additional gossip or background information on the family other than what is already posted, I would greatly love to read it.

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #95 on: September 23, 2006, 07:20:07 PM »
Thanks ! It will be nice to see info and photos about Ali and his family . The photo of Ali seemed to be taken in the later years of his life. Wonder if he kept in contact with his rebellious brother ?  ???

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #96 on: September 24, 2006, 12:44:00 AM »
Since Luis Fernando died in 1945, his relatives who are still alive (i.e. his great-newphews, children of his nephew Álvaro, Duke of Galliera) probably don't remember him (if they ever met him!). I know Eulalia's life wasn't a model to follow, but Luis Fernando's is so much worse (for in infante that is).
In the Memoirs I have of Eulalia's there are a few photos that come from the "Archivo de Orleáns-Borbón". Any idea where that is and how can one get in touch? Eulalaia hardly mentions her children in the memoirs, which were prublished I think in 1935 if memory serves me right... unhapily it doesn't mention the problems that started when Ali got married to Beatrice etc...

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #97 on: September 24, 2006, 12:53:11 AM »
Regarding the Carlos-Eulalia marriage, the couple were very good friend and remained so till his violent death in 1908 (one of several royals Eulalia knew who were killed or died in violent deaths -Nicholas II, George I of Greece, Carlos I of Portugal, the Duchess d'Alençon, Elisabeth of Austria...). Eulalia wasn't too keen on the marriage, though she didn't dislike Carlos himself, but she complained that she was not fit to be an infanta, let alone a queen (at least it'swhat she says in her memoirs). Alfonso XII, urged by some ministers who were against the Luso-Spanish alliance, decided to intervene and no marriage took place. As you know he evtually married Eulalia's niece (or second cousin once-removed, depending on which family link you follow) the same year Eulalia herself got married to Antoine d'Orléans.

As for Montpensier, he was certainly a favourite for the infanta Eulalia. When Alfonso XII died his son was the only male descendant of Fernando VII of Spain IN Spain, and both men became the centre of attention at funerals and family gatherings. When he died in early 1890 his death shocked Eulalia, who was near her last stages ofpregnancy. A month later she gave birth to a baby girl that died during the ordeal -asfyxia- and Eulalia's relations with her husband would forever be destroyed.

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #98 on: September 24, 2006, 09:44:07 AM »
Yes...although Marie Coburg's letters did mention them throughly... ;)

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #99 on: September 26, 2006, 08:20:56 PM »
On a peerage site it says Marie Say had the title of Princess of Broglie. Does anyone know the relation, if any, to these 2 different Princesses of Broglie?

Princesse Albert de Broglie, née Joséphine-Eléonore-Marie-Pauline de Galard de Brassac de Béarn, 1853 by Ingres:

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http://www.topofart.com/artists/James_Jacques_Joseph_Tissot/art_reproduction/1408/The_Princess_of_Broglie.php
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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #100 on: September 27, 2006, 09:11:03 PM »
Does anyone know about this bit from Time magazine Mar. 4, 1929?

Engaged. Mrs. Mabelle Gilman Corey, of Paris, onetime U. S. musical comedy star, who in 1923 divorced William Ellis Corey of Manhattan, President of the U.S. Steel Corp. (1903-11); to Prince Louis Ferdinand of Bourbon-Orleans, Infante of Spain, 40.
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« Reply #101 on: September 28, 2006, 11:13:36 AM »
Does anyone know about this bit from Time magazine Mar. 4, 1929?

Engaged. Mrs. Mabelle Gilman Corey, of Paris, onetime U. S. musical comedy star, who in 1923 divorced William Ellis Corey of Manhattan, President of the U.S. Steel Corp. (1903-11); to Prince Louis Ferdinand of Bourbon-Orleans, Infante of Spain, 40.


Well it seems that around that time Louis was in desperate need to find a rich wife  ;D

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #102 on: September 28, 2006, 11:35:32 AM »
I think he always need money... >:(

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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #103 on: September 28, 2006, 08:12:15 PM »
Someone else's money it seems!

From 1930: Married. Prince Luis de Bourbon, 41, cousin of King Alfonso XIII of Spain, former fiance of Mrs. Mabelle Gilman Corey, onetime Broadway beauty who broke off with him after he demanded a dowry of $200,000, an annual income of $10,000, plus $2,000 yearly pocket money; and Princess Amedee de Broglie, 70, member of the oldest French noble families.

Here's a bit more about Mrs Corey:

Time 1923: Divorced. William Ellis Corey, 57, steel man (Director of the Baldwin Locomotive Works, Bethlehem Steel Corporation, Sinclair Consolidated Oil Corporation), by Mrs. Mabelle Gilman Corey, 41, former musical comedy actress, in Paris. She charged desertion. He succeeded Charles M. Schwab in 1903 as President of the U. S. Steel Corporation at $100,000 a year, then a record salary for a corporation executive in the U. S. After seeing the then Miss Gilman act in The Mocking Bird, he settled $1,000,000 on his first wife, " consented" to her divorcing him and married Miss Gilman in 1907. He resigned from the Presidency of the U. S. Steel Corporation shortly afterwards, allegedly at the request of the Directors.

There's also photos of her:

http://content.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/sayrepublic&CISOPTR=8142&CISORESTMP=&CISOVIEWTMP=

http://content.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/sayrepublic&CISOPTR=8200&CISORESTMP=&CISOVIEWTMP=
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Re: The Spanish branch of the Orléans family
« Reply #104 on: September 28, 2006, 09:41:55 PM »
Well... living off other people I guess is his way of life... :(