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Spanish Habsburgs
« on: March 17, 2005, 12:44:53 PM »
When did the Spanish Hapsburgs die out? I thought the current royal family of Spain were Hapsburgs not Bourbons.
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Re: Spanish Habsburgs
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2005, 12:54:09 PM »
The last Habsburg branch the Senior/Spanish line died in 1700 - King Carlos II.

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Re: Spanish Habsburgs
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2005, 02:15:42 PM »
 King Carlos II's death led to the Spanish succession war. King Louis XIV of France claimed the throne of Spain for his descendance through his wife Maria-Teresa of Habsburg, infanta of Spain. Another candidate was the Habsburg Karl VI, father of the famous Austrian Empress Maria-Theresia.

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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2005, 03:38:43 PM »
I'm guessing that the French won the Spanish succession war by the current royal family's name being Bourbon and not Hapsburg. Am I correct?

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Re: Spanish Habsburgs
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2005, 05:12:22 PM »
It was a tie of sorts...Louis XIV's France was financially and physically exhausted after 12 years of war.  His grandson Felipe V (former Duc d'Anjou) was allowed to retain the Spanish throne, the Habsburgs lost Spain, but the descendants of Felipe V lost their French succession rights in return.

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Re: Spanish Habsburgs
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2005, 02:39:24 AM »
Hi Arturo ! My brother who is a historian tells me that the matter is not so clear-cut. It seems that Felipe V's descendance could claim the throne of France if there was one to be claimed(the treaty apparently stipulated that the King of Spain could not be also King of France but another man of his branch / family could).
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Re: Spanish Habsburgs
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2005, 08:32:35 PM »
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Hi Arturo ! My brother who is a historian tells me that the matter is not so clear-cut. It seems that Felipe V's descendance could claim the throne of France if there was one to be claimed(the treaty apparently stipulated that the King of Spain could not be also King of France but another man of his branch / family could).


I will not got into the deepest arguments regarding this...however, in France when Chambord died in 1883 - monarchists did not look to Spain for leadership, they looked to the Orléans.  In France when Charles X was King, the line of succession went from his eldest son, the Duc d'angouleme, to his grandson, the Duc de Bordeaux (also known as Comte de Chambord), to his cousin, the Duc d'Orléans.  Just before dying in 1883, Chambord left writings in which he argued that even though he had renounced the throne for moral issues, once he was dead, the Count of Paris (eldest grandson of Louis Phiiippe), would have t deal with political issues surrounding the thrnoe and an eventual restoration.  Chambord himself never looked at the Bourbons of Spain, the Two sicilies and Parma as his political heirs.  Apres moi, les Orléans!

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Re: Spanish Habsburgs
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2005, 01:48:32 PM »
So thats how Spain got the House of Savoy, threw the Two Sicilies?

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Re: Spanish Habsburgs
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2005, 02:05:25 PM »
No not at all...the Savoy-Aosta branch was elected to the Spanish throne in 1870 after Queen Isabel II had been in exile since 1868...it had nothing to do with the Two Sicilies, who by then had live din exile for a decade anyhow.

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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2005, 02:19:14 PM »
Hey Arturo, Is there any evidence that the Hapsburgs married siblings? We all know about the first counsin marraiges which I have begun to except as normal for royalty but...siblings?
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Re: Spanish Habsburgs
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2005, 03:21:15 PM »
Oh heavens no...in fact every time they married a niece, uncle or first cousin a dispensation had to be obtained from the Vatican.  Intramarriage was performed to ensure that the family's vast possessions would never leave family control, which is what eventually happened with Spain.

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Re: Spanish Habsburgs
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2005, 04:31:22 PM »
Thank goodness...siblings just the thought! When the Spanish succession war had started, what side did the Catholic Church give its support to? I assume that the Vatican had a closer relationship with the Austrian Hapsburgs, and would support the Emperor and in doing so making all devout Catholics support Austria in the war, even the French.
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Re: Spanish Habsburgs
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2005, 03:42:39 PM »
A famous portrait of the last Habsburg monarch of Spain:

Hey gorgeous...

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Re: Spanish Habsburgs
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2005, 03:46:55 PM »
I don't think he looks so bad. When I am in the university library I see a lot of science students who look like this!

Also I think he really took his duties as King of Spain seriously!

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Re: Spanish Habsburgs
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2005, 03:50:45 PM »
I wonder if he had a sense of humour though... :-/ I see students like that too LOL He probably had lots of bastards and we never knew about it LOL