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Re: Spanish Habsburgs
« Reply #75 on: December 02, 2005, 03:24:52 PM »
His half brother Felipe II and sisters, where as attractive as him.

In my opinion, the effects of the consanginity arrived later, Carlos II was the sample.

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« Reply #76 on: December 02, 2005, 08:50:14 PM »
So was Don Carlos...Felipe II's crazy son... :-/

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« Reply #77 on: December 05, 2005, 07:31:43 AM »
I think there are more handsome Habsburgs than Don Carlos. We nearly forgot Felipe I (Philip the Handsome/Fair).
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« Reply #78 on: December 05, 2005, 10:00:25 AM »
Yes...Philip the fair was handsome, but cruel to Juana. Juana was reputed to be quite beautiful as well... :)

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« Reply #79 on: December 05, 2005, 10:39:06 AM »
i liked the portrait i know of her.

yes, philip was a womanizer and he didn't treat her very nice, but the truth was that she wasn't very healthy either. maybe he acted like that because she was insanely jealous and made him want to get away. not trying to look for excuses for cheating bastards, but sometimes the wife can make it worse...
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« Reply #80 on: December 06, 2005, 04:11:21 AM »
It seems posthumous Catalina in her youth was very beautiful. In fact , she was the alive portrait of Philipp  the handsome: mouth, eyes, nose. So her mother loved her very much. There are two splendid portr of her. the one young , the other less young. I mean those were she bears this "star wars" coiffure . Do you realize?
In big size, the deatils of broderies and jewels are fascinating. Juana, her mother , was the prettiest among her sisters. she awoke desire. Philippe was in flames when saw her first time. She was admired both in the palace of Blois (1501) rivalising there whith Anne de Bretagne charms and in england, where Henry VII found her more than pretty. But , over this, she was a true latinist, cultivated as any man in her time. Moreover, the Marques of Denia, her gaoler, write to Charles V: "I could not let her go out even for a moment. Any man in this world could resist the power of her conviction and persuasion" I don't think at all she was mad, but a dangerous heterodoxe victim. she was even more clever than Ferdinad and Philippe, and she had inherited this striking presence from Isabella. Her worlds and presence were impossible to forget.

            Don Carlos wasn't ugly when adolescent. Mary Stuart and Marguerite de Valois considered once him as a possible. But as in "the portr of -Dorian Grey" his disease and internal disorders became marked in his phisionomy

          I have heard so many things about the provenance of the famous jaw! some says the lip came from Habsburgs and the jaw from Burgundy. But fair Mary of Burgundy had no prominent jaw!Some says it comes from Cimburga de Masovia, some from Castile Trastamaras. some says they had tail!!!  ;D but really was Fernando Vii of Bourbon who had tail ;D ;D

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Re: Spanish Habsburgs
« Reply #81 on: December 06, 2005, 05:49:27 AM »
Who did Catalina, daughter of Juana and Philip the fair marry ?  ;)

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« Reply #82 on: December 06, 2005, 09:45:25 AM »
Joao III of Portugal, I think.
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« Reply #83 on: December 06, 2005, 10:06:11 AM »
Any portrait of this beauty ? ::)

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« Reply #84 on: December 06, 2005, 02:05:52 PM »
Well it takes all sorts....



She was very conservative.
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« Reply #85 on: December 06, 2005, 03:06:36 PM »
she grew up locked in a room with her mother. even if her mother wasn't mad (which i think she was a little, at least by that time), that isn't very pretty... and it's not meant to make you very open minded

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« Reply #86 on: December 07, 2005, 04:33:18 AM »
This is one of the two portraits i mentioned, but there is one when young, seated, where shee appears slight and thin, it changes considerabily. I agree, this last has been taken in old age(she lived quite long). She was a well remembered queen, for she was before all portuguese queen. Faithful sister but before, portuguese queen. She was regent. His brother respected her and never could make her approach the spanish interests in spit of Portugal. For this, she was loved by her people. She did all she could, but suffered a lot: The dead of Dom Juan Manuel, the death of Sebastian, the foolish portuguese equivalent of Don Carlos. As you, the first portr. i had seen was this and i thought, my God, what a fat ugly matrone. But after i learned this had been different  once. When in Tordesillas, she was a very pretty princess, and everyone said she was a feminine copy of the charms of Philippe.

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« Reply #87 on: December 07, 2005, 02:05:58 PM »
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This is one of the two portraits i mentioned, but there is one when young, seated, where shee appears slight and thin, it changes considerabily. I agree, this last has been taken in old age(she lived quite long). She was a well remembered queen, for she was before all portuguese queen. Faithful sister but before, portuguese queen. She was regent. His brother respected her and never could make her approach the spanish interests in spit of Portugal. For this, she was loved by her people. She did all she could, but suffered a lot: The dead of Dom Juan Manuel, the death of Sebastian, the foolish portuguese equivalent of Don Carlos. As you, the first portr. i had seen was this and i thought, my God, what a fat ugly matrone. But after i learned this had been different  once. When in Tordesillas, she was a very pretty princess, and everyone said she was a feminine copy of the charms of Philippe.



Yes, Catalina was reported to be a great and witty beauty during her younger years. She didn't live long enough to see, however, her grandson's death, Sebastian died 6 months after her own death. But she did indeed see her 9 children die before her...

There is a similar portrait of aa young woman, infanta María of Portugal, daughter of Manoel I and Leonor of Austria.
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« Reply #88 on: December 08, 2005, 02:28:52 AM »
I think Baltasar Carlos is the Best.  
He was a son of Felipe IV. but he was very like his french mother. (His mother was Isabel of Bourbon.)
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« Reply #89 on: December 13, 2005, 03:28:44 PM »
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Yes ! They are heritics and should be all burned ! (Felipe's feelings towards Protestants). >:(



Felipe was much more tolerant than what people think. It's true, however, that when he started to become an old man, he became more and more pious. But he was not as intolerant as protestants wanted him to look like. And there were only two significant auto-da-fés during his reign, one in Valladolid (1557, I think) and Seville (I would need to check up the exact date!)-.