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Norbert

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« Reply #90 on: July 07, 2008, 01:42:34 AM »
Alexander D m 1963 Adriane Duplaix and has a dau, Tatiana born 2 Feb 1966

john and Winifred div 1955 and he remarried 1971.

I have Michele down as MICHAEL

Anita remarried secondly in 1982

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« Reply #91 on: July 07, 2008, 03:44:39 PM »
Nope, Miguel (Michael) of Braganza had two daughters: Anita and Michele

http://www.geneall.net/P/per_page.php?id=6818

There are photos of both at D.Duarte's wedding

Eric_Lowe

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« Reply #92 on: November 07, 2008, 02:35:06 PM »
I was wondering if there are photos and news of this family ? they seemed to be scarely reported.

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« Reply #93 on: November 08, 2008, 01:26:52 PM »
They are private people who live in the states and hardly ever come to the european royal gatherings.

First time I saw pictures from the present generation was at D.Duarte's wedding as HRH made clear he would like to have his american cousins present.

Eric_Lowe

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« Reply #94 on: November 08, 2008, 06:48:16 PM »
How many are they in States ?

YaBB_Jose

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« Reply #95 on: November 09, 2008, 05:06:17 PM »
From P.Theroff's An Online Gotha

1e) Miguel Maximiliano Sebastão Maria, Duque de Viseu; renounced his rights to the throne 21 Jul 1920 (Reichenau 22 Sep 1878-New York 21 Feb 1923); m.Tulloch Castle 15 Sep 1909 Anita Stewart (Elberson, New Jersey  7 Aug 1886-New York 15 Sep 1977)

   2f) John Miguel Guilherme Aloísio Maria José Rafael Gabriel Francisco de Assis Carlos Henrique António Sebastião Huberto de Braganza (Pippingford, Sussex 7 Sep 1912-West Palm Beach, Florida 12 Mar 1991); m.1st New York 21 May 1948 (div 1953) Winifred Dodge Seyburn (b.Detroit 1 Apr 1917); m.2d 15 May 1971 Katherine King

       1g) Michael William de Braganza (b.Long Island 25 Sep 1951); m.Boston, Mass. 27 Sep 1980 Barbara Haliburton Fales (b.Miami 1955)
            1h) Miguel Samuel de Braganza (b.Boston 3 Feb 1986)
            2h) Annabel Barbara de Braganza (b.Boston 6 May 1989)
            3h) Camilla Fales de Braganza (b.Oak Bluffs, Massachusetts 21 Oct 1990)

   3f) Michael Luís Guilherme Maria de Braganza (Berlin 7 Sep 1915-West Palm Beach 19 Feb 1996); m.Miami 18 Nov 1946 Anne Hughson (b.Roanoke, Virginia 16 Nov 1921)

      1g) Anita de Braganza (b.Stamford, Connecticut 24 Oct 1947); m.1st Bedford, New York 28 Mar 1968 George Alfred Wardman (b.New York 30 Jan 1946); m.2d 17 Sep 1982 John Jason Stockbridge (b.Kingston, New York 28 Feb 1943)
           1h) George Stewart Wardman, b.Pittsfield, Massachusetts 15 Nov 1968
           2h) Tiffany Ann Wardman, b.Carmel-by-the-Sea, California 20 Dec 1971
 

     2g) Michael de Braganza (b.Stamford 5 Oct 1953)

P.Theroff has an error. 2g) is not Michael but Michele.

So you have Michael and his 3 sons, Anita with a son and daughter and Michele, unmarried.


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« Reply #96 on: November 09, 2008, 06:46:26 PM »
Thank you for your interesting reply, Jose!   (By the way, I note that you are from Lisbon.  I have visited your beautiful country several times and have been to Lisbon as well.  Most interesting!)   Best regards,  AP.

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« Reply #97 on: November 11, 2008, 12:11:01 PM »
Yes, I am from Lisbon.
Glad you enjoyed when you stayed here.
And hope you have visited the surroundings where our RF used to live: Queluz, Sintra, Cascais, Mafra, etc., just to mentione the closest to the capital.

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« Reply #98 on: March 25, 2009, 05:54:38 AM »
Infante Alfonso,Prince of Beira,eldest son of TRH The Duke and Duches de Braganza,celebrates his 13th birthday today. :)
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« Reply #99 on: March 26, 2009, 06:46:04 PM »
Just to remind: This child (adorable nevertheless) can't be called «a Prince», since no Portuguese Prince was ever the son of a «Duke». To be a Prince he would have to be the son of a King.

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« Reply #100 on: March 27, 2009, 12:44:26 PM »
That's a bit semantyc, don't you agree ?

After all, in Portugal, the son's of a king were known as Infantes and Infantas.

Only the elder son of the King was the Principe Real, as in the garden/square :-)

OTOH the son of the "Duke" of Braganças' title is indeed "Prince" of Beira, so.....

Eric_Lowe

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« Reply #101 on: March 27, 2009, 01:03:38 PM »
Indeed. There is no official title as Portugal is a republic.

DonaAntonia

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« Reply #102 on: March 27, 2009, 05:48:41 PM »
That's a bit semantyc, don't you agree ?

After all, in Portugal, the son's of a king were known as Infantes and Infantas.

Only the elder son of the King was the Principe Real, as in the garden/square :-)

OTOH the son of the "Duke" of Braganças' title is indeed "Prince" of Beira, so.....

Not semantic at all, I'm affraid. The eldest son of the King or rulling Queen was «Principe Real» (Prince Royal) and that title passed on to any heir to the throne (not his/her child). The other children could either be called «Infantes/Infantas» or «Princes/Princesses». The young prince Manuel (later King Manuel II) was often referred to in newpapers as «Prince», not «Infante», since «Infante» was the title given to his uncle, D. Afonso, and people didn't want to confuse them.

The Portuguese title of «Duque» (Duke) is not, like in England, confined to the Royal Family. Most of the Portuguese Duques were honored with that title after the Napoleonic or the Liberal wars, to grace their courage in combat (Duque of Saldanha, Duque of Terceira, Duque of Avila, etc.). «Duque» being the title above Marquis, which is above Count, which is above Baron.

Thus, no Duques ever fathered princes, except when they became kings themselves, like King Joao IV after the Restauration of Independence in 1640.

It is ridiculous to call «a prince» to the son of a «duque» who never was a king, whose father never was a king, whose grandfather never was a king. Even if his father's title was considered legitimate by every Portuguese citizen, or by every Portuguese royalist - which it isn't.

But, of course, that would leave us to another topic altogether... ...

DonaAntonia

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« Reply #103 on: March 27, 2009, 06:42:16 PM »
Indeed. There is no official title as Portugal is a republic.

When I alluded to the title I was refering to the law that was still rulling until October 5, 1910, when Portugal was turned into a Republic. That is the same law that bans forever «the descendents of the ex-prince Miguel».

Since King Manuel died without issuing any known document changing that law, and since he was «de factum» the last King of Portugal, I think that is still the only law available to deal with any matter concerning successions and/or titles of the Portuguese Monarchy. The Republic has nothing to do with this. We all know that republics do not have princes :-)

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Re: Braganza royal family & Brazilian royalty
« Reply #104 on: March 28, 2009, 04:32:36 AM »
Just to remind: This child (adorable nevertheless) can't be called «a Prince», since no Portuguese Prince was ever the son of a «Duke». To be a Prince he would have to be the son of a King.
As he is the son of the Pretender of the Portuguese Throne,he is a Prince and Heir-Apparent.
And you can not change that.
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