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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #225 on: June 20, 2005, 11:40:24 AM »
Could grow up to be a swan  ::)

as in the tale THE UGLY DUCKLING.

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #226 on: June 20, 2005, 11:43:03 AM »
FA...Save that head....I think your case is well made for the rational..... ::)
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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #227 on: June 20, 2005, 11:47:58 AM »
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Could grow up to be a swan  ::)

as in the tale THE UGLY DUCKLING.

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Witty...erm...yes...but I believe that Alexei was one ickle,tuff duckling who tried his best to survive....

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #228 on: June 20, 2005, 11:48:14 AM »
This is not a personal debate between you and I, this is about a topic of hemophilia which I and others know very little.  If you wish to mock us,  that is your preference, meanwhile, I hope others have answers to Kenrick's questions.

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #229 on: June 20, 2005, 11:51:29 AM »
Erm...without being indelicate....might we know the nature of the testicle issue?...I think most of us are mature enough to handle it....

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #230 on: June 20, 2005, 11:51:53 AM »
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This newspaper article is just repeating what was known in the medical world at that time.  It does not tell us what were in the medical records kept by doctors at the time so  present day doctors can view and study the symtoms of Alexei and give us their conclusions.


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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #231 on: June 20, 2005, 11:54:53 AM »
Bear...calm down...just 'BREATH"...You and I were on the same wave length about the H.C.Andersen fairy-tale of the 'Ugly Duckling"...The debate continues to swirl around us.... :-*

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #232 on: June 20, 2005, 12:05:06 PM »
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Alexei had a condition where one of his testicles did not descend properly

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #233 on: June 20, 2005, 12:15:44 PM »
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Alexei had a condition where one of his testicles did not descend properly


Thank you FA...I thought it might be this somewhat common chaps problem....

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #234 on: June 20, 2005, 12:57:30 PM »
Thank you FA-
"the recent pronouncement by the Czar's physicians that the Czarevitch has haemophilia..."  9 Nov. 1912.
That is what I was asking for.

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #235 on: June 20, 2005, 06:24:42 PM »
Quite frankly the way some people are addressing other posters is really quite rude and uncalled for, talking to a grown and intelligent woman such as lizameridox as if she were a somewhat slow and dull child, and I am sure I am not alone in feeling insulted and put-down when reading some posts. There are ways to say you disagree with someone without resorting to childish put-downs and rudeness.

A thought - if the Tsarevich didn't have haemophilia but some other disease of which we know much more these last few years, wouldn't scientists etc have said "Well, wait a minute, it looks like everyone has been wrong - for decades it was thought the Tsarevich had haemophilia, but his symptoms are actually that of XYZ." I haven't seen any recent books on the Romanovs that suggest anything other than haemophilia. Once again, it seems the only real dissenting position comes from the supporters of a haemophia-less claiment.

If it was proved by DNA the Tsarevich-martyr didn't have haemophilia, I would accept that, but until it is proven otherwise, I will agree with what has been common knowledge, since, it would seem, 1912 - that the poor kid was a 'bleeder'.

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #236 on: June 20, 2005, 07:12:35 PM »
Well said,Georgiy...I've been looking at every site I can find on the Net...and they all say that AN had haemophilia...Oxford,Cambridge,Harvard,Yale,et al...seem to agree on this issue....one person disagrees it seems....

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #237 on: June 20, 2005, 10:01:12 PM »
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While Spiridovich may well have read the reports as you claim.. and you have no way of proving that.. he did not write those reports and he certainly didn't have the medical training to interpret the doctors' use of medical terminology. [/b]

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #238 on: June 20, 2005, 10:33:39 PM »
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If someone other than a supporter of a claimant cared to do so, people would take notice.

Because your answers always hearken back to <i>your claimant's</i> illness, without a definite link to Alexei's, your answers would not be impartial.  Would anyone who was NOT a claimant or a supporter of a claimant ever have grounds to question the nature of the child's illness in the first place, and if so, what those grounds would be?


Mr Tammet died from leukemia in the apparent absence of any underlying significant congenital hematological condition, in his seventh decade.

To have succeeded with his claim, "Alexei" had to now argue that he did not suffer from an inherited condition such as hemophilia.

Presenting with leukemia in his final years, the veracity of any claim, in the absence of DNA verification, became more difficult. To solve this dilemma, the use of innovative "best fit" scenarios became the obvious step.

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #239 on: June 20, 2005, 10:40:11 PM »
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RealAnastasia....you know I tease you sometimes about things...and I hope you don't take it personally....I imagine you saying..."There HE goes again..."...but I do appreciate your clear and fair points on the condition of what is generally regarded as the haemophilia of AN...I'm not a very scientific person...so your reasoning about this disease is well recieved....



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