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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #255 on: June 22, 2005, 09:17:20 AM »
Dear Mr. Kendrick...
We are all to believe your research...which seemingly the entire rest of the known World doesn't believe....and ignore common sense and the obvious information of research by people here in this forum...such as the FA?...
Best-of-Luck on what ever book,magazine,film offers you might have in all of this....

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #256 on: June 22, 2005, 10:14:44 AM »
Not to add fuel to the fire, but perhaps to deflect a bit... from what I have been able to ascertain from reading the threads about Alexei having potentially survived/not having survived, the one thing which has struck me is the fact that most who subscribe to the "not having survived" mindset was due to the heir's hemophelia.

A number of sources claim that Alexei was hit, but did not die straight away and so it was required that he be shot again.  There are allusions to being shot in the head - although I cannot claim that I know for certain where he was shot.

One thing to remember about hemophelia is that, if a bleeder is bleeding externally, it is actually easier to stem the flow of blood.  Hemopheliacs tend to die more from internal hemorraging than external because pressure applied to an external wound will stem the flow.  It just takes more time than for a normal person.

Perhaps this post is more apt under another thread, but I wasn't sure which, and this one seemed to have most folks attention at the moment.

Personally, I find it difficult to believe that anyone survived, however I have always felt that every story/myth/fairytale always has an element of truth to it.

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #257 on: June 22, 2005, 10:28:21 AM »
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Not to add fuel to the fire, but perhaps to deflect a bit... from what I have been able to ascertain from reading the threads about Alexei having potentially survived/not having survived, the one thing which has struck me is the fact that most who subscribe to the "not having survived" mindset was due to the heir's hemophelia.

A number of sources claim that Alexei was hit, but did not die straight away and so it was required that he be shot again.  There are allusions to being shot in the head - although I cannot claim that I know for certain where he was shot.

One thing to remember about hemophelia is that, if a bleeder is bleeding externally, it is actually easier to stem the flow of blood.  Hemopheliacs tend to die more from internal hemorraging than external because pressure applied to an external wound will stem the flow.  It just takes more time than for a normal person.

Perhaps this post is more apt under another thread, but I wasn't sure which, and this one seemed to have most folks attention at the moment.

Personally, I find it difficult to believe that anyone survived, however I have always felt that every story/myth/fairytale always has an element of truth to it.

Sincere regards,
Tasha


Cheers for your most polite question/comment....
When one sees the actually quite small area in front of a wall,near a corner,of that basement room...and the number of shooters involved...can one ever actually believe that ANYONE could have come out alive?...I guess I just have more faith and belief in the purpose and focus of the execution squad.....and it gives me NO happiness.... :'(

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #258 on: June 22, 2005, 10:45:44 AM »
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Cheers for your most polite question/comment....
When one sees the actually quite small area in front of a wall,near a corner,of that basement room...and the number of shooters involved...can one ever actually believe that ANYONE could have come out alive?...I guess I just have more faith and belief in the purpose and focus of the execution squad.....and it gives me NO happiness.... :'(

Such a very good point, etonexile. The execution squad did have a sense of purpose, didn't they.

For further clarification, have the measurements of that wall/the room been posted anywhere? If so, they've escaped my brain. Thanks.
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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #259 on: June 22, 2005, 12:52:04 PM »
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Such a very good point, etonexile. The execution squad did have a sense of purpose, didn't they.

For further clarification, have the measurements of that wall/the room been posted anywhere? If so, they've escaped my brain. Thanks.


Thanks for that great question...Don't know,me...looks like the photo of that corner was around 8x10-ish foot...but can't be certain....

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #260 on: June 22, 2005, 04:25:50 PM »
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When one sees the actually quite small area in front of a wall,near a corner,of that basement room...and the number of shooters involved...can one ever actually believe that ANYONE could have come out alive?

The story of so many gunmen just doesn't seem quite accurate; they were ranked in the doorway of not a massive room and the bullets were said to have "ricocheted" off all over the places. Why, then, did the gunmen emerge unscathed?

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #261 on: June 22, 2005, 04:47:27 PM »
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I just read what is there. You are of course quite free to fantasize and imagine it to mean whatever makes you happy.


Aw, Bob... I'm disappointed :-) I was quite certain that you'd have a much better comeback than that! :-)

Of course, you're also quite free to fantasize and imagine the evidence to mean whatever you want it to mean, just we all are.  The only difference is that your version just has a much larger audience than mine.

Playwrights Henrik Ibsen and George Bernard Shaw have both been credited with once having said: "A minority may be right, and a majority is always wrong."

It was John Kenneth Galbraith who was quoted as saying: "There is something wonderful in seeing a wrong-headed majority assailed by truth."

.. and the great Mark Twain once quipped: "Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform."

For the moment though, I'll stick with Ibsen, who had also said: "It was then that I began to look into the seams of your doctrine. I wanted only to pick at a single knot; but when I had got that undone, the whole thing began to unravel.  And then I understood that it was all machine-sewn."

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #262 on: June 22, 2005, 05:06:26 PM »
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Aw, Bob... I'm disappointed :-) I was quite certain that you'd have a much better comeback than that! :-)

Of course, you're also quite free to fantasize and imagine the evidence to mean whatever you want it to mean, just we all are.  The only difference is that your version just has a much larger audience than mine.
 
Playwrights Henrik Ibsen and George Bernard Shaw have both been credited with once having said: "A minority may be right, and a majority is always wrong."

It was John Kenneth Galbraith who was quoted as saying: "There is something wonderful in seeing a wrong-headed majority assailed by truth."

.. and the great Mark Twain once quipped: "Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform."

For the moment though, I'll stick with Ibsen, who had also said: "It was then that I began to look into the seams of your doctrine. I wanted only to pick at a single knot; but when I had got that undone, the whole thing began to unravel.  And then I understood that it was all machine-sewn."
JK

    Well this last post not only appears pointess, but tasteless and quite nasty...

Mr. Kendrick,
    PLEASE feel free to express your medical doubts in a manner which avoids pettiness and name calling - and you may well find an interested audience for your evidence, but again this sort of thing is only making you look like a petulant 6 year old!
-I do hope that I am incorrect in this assessment of your intended tone.

I am not convinced. Please try again.

rs

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #263 on: June 22, 2005, 06:23:35 PM »
Stop attacking JKendriks personally,

JKendricks is not the topic.  Alexei is.

Alexei's doctors said he had hemophilia up to 1917.  How do we know it was hemophlia and not another blood disorder, as JKendrick suggests?

Gosh, back then they didn't even know there were different blood types let alone different blood disorders that had similar symptoms.

Can someone give me a list of blood disorders that are similar to hemophilia which Alexei could have had if he didn't have hemophilia?

Thank you.

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PS-  It accomplishes nothing to mix words with someone who only wishes to draw you into a personal battle so the person can become, once, again, center of attention and spoil the flow of our topic which is:  "So WHY would it not have been heophilia?".




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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #264 on: June 22, 2005, 08:16:56 PM »
Mr. Kendrick seems to take great pride in being in the minority...heaps of practice...? ???

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #265 on: June 22, 2005, 08:24:14 PM »
Um, I don't have a list of all of the blood disorders that mimic the disabilities that Alexei had.

But I do know that none of them go into remission and allow someone to be shot and not bleed to death.

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #266 on: June 22, 2005, 08:24:51 PM »


Playwrights Henrik Ibsen and George Bernard Shaw have both been credited with once having said: "A minority may be right, and a majority is always wrong."

"...a majority is always wrong"?...and they BOTH said this?...then they are both off my Christmas card list....  ::)


Might we have the source of these quotes,Mr. Kendrick...?

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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #267 on: June 22, 2005, 08:25:55 PM »
Immune thrombocytopenic purpura can be inherited or acquired, but is not truly serious as Alexei's illness was:  see

www.itp-helper.com/what_is_itp.html.

A remote possibility that the Spala incident might have been due to Schoenlein-Henoch purpura exists if one really wants to make a great deal of that episode -- except for the facts that Alexei's symptoms so often involved his joints and that he survived to the age of 14:

www.ecureme.com/emyhealth/Pediatrics/Schoenlein-Henoch_purpura.asp

Thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura and associated hemolytic uremic syndrome sounds nasty.  It also is seen more often in little girls than little boys and doesn't sound specific enough to describe Alexei's varied episodes:

www.emedicine.com/MED/topic2265.htm

Of course, none of these sound too much like Alexei had them....


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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #268 on: June 22, 2005, 08:32:48 PM »
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Do you think Alexandra realized she was a carrier?


Yes lexi4, Alexandra was more than aware. Her own brother, Frederick succumbed to this condition as a youngster, aged only three.


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Re: So WHY would it not have been hemophilia?
« Reply #269 on: June 22, 2005, 08:42:40 PM »
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Why, then, did the gunmen emerge unscathed?


This is an excellent question Lass. I believe that some of them would have incurred injuries. Those murderers were commisioned in the line of "duty". Had one or few died from "friendly fire", then we might have learnt about their "heroic" death. Injuries were part and parcel of the task before them, and therefore irrelevant.


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