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Re: The children of Alfonso XIII of Spain
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2005, 08:48:34 AM »
Beatriz looked more like Alfonso while Cristina more like Ena. Was there ever talk of marrying either of them to a foreign prince (I mena before they met and wed their Italian suitors)? I saw an interview they did with Beatriz in ehr last days and she was very funny and witty, although a bit deaf. It must have been interesting to meet someone from that generation who survived so many sad events...

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Re: The children of Alfonso XIII of Spain
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2005, 09:19:08 AM »
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His story is a bit confusing because Emanuela de dampierre was married off to him (i.e. it wasn't a love match apparently) but still he ahd to resign his rights to the throne. Also interesting to know is that his youngest son, Gonzalo, who died a few years ago, was the father of an illegitimate daughetr called Estefania (or Stephanie). I believe she has (or had, before she married anyway) the right to use the surname "de Borbon". However, she had two sons before getting married so they have (or had?) their mother's surname and are thus also styled De Borbon. The next children were born in wedlock. I don't know what ehr relationship with the Spanish Royal Family is like, nor with ehr cousin Luis Alfonso, the present Duke of Anjou.
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Jaime renounced his rights in 1933 before the marriage.  Stephanie has her father's surname - de Borbon as his name is on the birth certificate.  Stephanie has no contact with the Spanish royal family.  Her grandmother refuses to acknowledge her.
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Re: The children of Alfonso XIII of Spain
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2005, 12:26:52 PM »
I know that before the fall of the Spanish monarchy, she and her sister were supposed to marry their cousins Alvaro and Alonso, the sons of Baby Bee, but that never happened.
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Re: The children of Alfonso XIII of Spain
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2005, 01:13:54 AM »
Yes they were privately slated for one another, but exile, the threat of hemophilia and other issues prevented the doule marriage from happening...then Alonso was killed and Alvaro met a mega-rich heiress...while Beatriz met her prnce and married and María Cristina, had turned down Leopold III of the Belgians arguing that she would never marry a widower or a King, actually ended marrying a man who was both...Enrico Marone Cinzano, a widower and the King of Vermouth!

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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2005, 01:22:32 AM »
Furthermore, before marrying Enrico Marone Cinzano, Infanta María Cristina asked King Vittorio Emanuele III of Italy to grant the title of "Count" to her fiancé.  The Italian monarch who had extended a welcoming mat to the exiled Spanish royal family obliged.  Some years ago it was mistakenly reported that King Alfonso XIII had created Enrico Marone Cinzano a Count, but there was no such creation and the Elenco de la Nobleza, Spain's yearly "who is who" guide of noble families does not list Marone as a countal title in Spain.

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Re: The children of Alfonso XIII of Spain
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2005, 06:39:27 AM »


About don Jaime's deafness, in Emanuela de Dampierre's memoirs, written two years ago, she says that, against what everybody thinks, don Jaime was born deaf and the thing of the mastoiditis was an invention of the Royal Family to protect themselves.

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Re: The children of Alfonso XIII of Spain
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2005, 10:06:13 AM »
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About don Jaime's deafness, in Emanuela de Dampierre's memoirs, written two years ago, she says that, against what everybody thinks, don Jaime was born deaf and the thing of the mastoiditis was an invention of the Royal Family to protect themselves.


In her memoirs Emanuela de Dampierre made many incorrect statements and said abominable things about her former in-laws.  It reads as if she used the memoirs to settle long-time scores...sad.

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« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2005, 11:37:01 AM »


I thought the same while reading it, and her own appreciations about Stephanie, her own granddaughter, and all illegitimate children in general were inhuman in my eyes... very sad indeed.

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Re: The children of Alfonso XIII of Spain
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2006, 09:02:56 AM »
When they were in exile, it was extremely difficult to find a suitable husband for each of Alfonso XIII's daughters, being Catholics, not extremely rich anymore, exiled and with the taint of haemophilia in their family tree. Beatriz was introduced to her future husband by her sister, who ahd met him at  a party Beatrzi was unable to attend (she was ill). Beatrzi says in a book written by her grandson that there was never any friction at court between Maria Cristina and Victoria Eugenia, even throughout the World War. Both were Spanish queens already, she says, regardless of the country where they were born. Maria Cristina never spoke German in Madrid, contrary to popular supposition, which is why Alfosno XIII never really managed to speak the language. Ena spoke English or French with her children, but sometimes also reverted to Spanish since she spoke it very well after a few years at court.
I find this langyuage matter very interesting. The present King and Queen speak English to each other, but the King also speaks Italian and Portuguese. He doesn't speak a word of Greek, which he regrets, since his wife uses it privately, when counting etc...

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Re: The children of Alfonso XIII of Spain
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2006, 09:11:49 AM »
Ena of course spoke English but the children mainly took it from the English Nannies that the courts believe they are the best. Charlotte Zeepvat's newest book is very good on this information.  ;)

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Re: The children of Alfonso XIII of Spain
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2006, 12:43:55 PM »
It is interesting that both of the daughters of Ena did not carry hemophilia. You would have thought one of them did. It is my understanding that Beatriz married someone who was nobility, but was he born that way, or am I off? The genealogical tables at the end of Queen Victoria's Family, the photo book by Charlotte Zeepvat, seem to indicate he was nobility, but they did that with Cristina's husband as well, and from reading this thread, I gather he wasn't nobility. Beatriz was quite pretty, and blonde, and didn't that come from the Battenbergs, at least her colouring?

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Re: The children of Alfonso XIII of Spain
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2006, 01:40:51 PM »
Don Alessandro Torlonia was the Prince of Civitella-Cesi, a Papal title.

Maria Cristina's husband was very rich.  he was created Count Marone.
It is interesting that both of the daughters of Ena did not carry hemophilia. You would have thought one of them did. It is my understanding that Beatriz married someone who was nobility, but was he born that way, or am I off? The genealogical tables at the end of Queen Victoria's Family, the photo book by Charlotte Zeepvat, seem to indicate he was nobility, but they did that with Cristina's husband as well, and from reading this thread, I gather he wasn't nobility. Beatriz was quite pretty, and blonde, and didn't that come from the Battenbergs, at least her colouring?
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Re: The children of Alfonso XIII of Spain
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2006, 05:27:19 PM »
Thanks, so he would have been minor royalty, then? Thanks for that info.

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Re: The children of Alfonso XIII of Spain
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2006, 09:08:07 PM »
Beatriz was quite pretty, and blonde, and didn't that come from the Battenbergs, at least her colouring?

Wasn't it Maria Christina who was blonde? I thought each girl resembled the opposite grandmother from their namesake one.

There was this interesting bit in Time magazine Dec. 14, 1931
"Among the changes which life has brought to Alfonso XIII...is that he who always used to appear in the press as the Merry Monarch, the Gentleman-Sportsman, the Genial Host, has lately been thrust into the less popular role of Stern Father. Only last month he abruptly broke the engagement of his daughter Beatriz on learning for sure that she and her sister Maria Christina were "carriers" of haemophilia, the family scourge...."

Does anyone know the engagement (if there was a real one) this referred to? Obviously they had it wrong in their diagnosis of the girls as carriers but I wonder what led them making that definite a statement.  ???
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Re: The children of Alfonso XIII of Spain
« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2006, 08:51:25 AM »
There were no tests for being carriers in 1931 ... one could assume that either or both could be carriers ... Beatriz became engaged to Prince Alvaro (Baby Bee's son) - but the marriage did not take place (and I doubt it had anything to do with the disease)  MC several years later was engaged briefly to another of Baby Bee's sons.   Alvaro did not want to marry a royal -he wanted a less frenetic life. 
Beatriz was quite pretty, and blonde, and didn't that come from the Battenbergs, at least her colouring?

Wasn't it Maria Christina who was blonde? I thought each girl resembled the opposite grandmother from their namesake one.

There was this interesting bit in Time magazine Dec. 14, 1931
"Among the changes which life has brought to Alfonso XIII...is that he who always used to appear in the press as the Merry Monarch, the Gentleman-Sportsman, the Genial Host, has lately been thrust into the less popular role of Stern Father. Only last month he abruptly broke the engagement of his daughter Beatriz on learning for sure that she and her sister Maria Christina were "carriers" of haemophilia, the family scourge...."

Does anyone know the engagement (if there was a real one) this referred to? Obviously they had it wrong in their diagnosis of the girls as carriers but I wonder what led them making that definite a statement.  ???
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