Olga's stats and characteristics

[aleksandr pavlovich]

Re Post # :   Thank you again for your reply.  Please re-read carefully my Post # 148.  I have already notified you of my stance on PMs.  So there will not be any mis-understanding, IF by any chance I WERE to receive any such pm, be aware that I will, IMO, ethically and openly show any PM sent to me on this with appropriate comments, after study. A "public" response to your "public " statement.     Regards,  AP

[thelastimpofrussia]

Feel free, but either way, you are getting a pm. Once again, I do not have internet, except on my phone, and am using that. It has no copy function on it, so it will become a pm.

[aleksandr pavlovich]

  Thank you for your permission, but I prefer to deal with this statement "in public." If you choose not to do so, that is your choice.  I have suggested to you how you may easily "capsule" the descent information in an ethical manner for us ALL to peruse, since it originated in an open post. There will be no PM. 
   In final summation, I will have no further remarks on this topic until the information on proven descent is posted. I have appreciated the opportunity to comment. I wish you a good day.      Regards,  AP.

[blessOTMA]

We have to admit, even though she did a lot of messed up things, (Olga of Kiev I mean) she still did that as a pagan, and so I don't think the church cared about that after she was baptized, washed away of all old sins.

Oh that is diffrent of course . Then it's a case of the greater the past sins, the greater redemption later Lol! 

I agree, that quote is painfully ironic! ... Olga, (Romanova) you were wise beyond your years D;

Indeed, there is another ironic  story of  young Olga's unknowing wisdom of the future

from M. Eagar's book Six Years at the Russian Court. 

"One day during Eastertide we were out driving on the Nevski Prospect, and the little Grand Duchess Olga was not good. I was speaking to her, trying to induce her to sit down quietly, when suddenly she did so, folding her hands in front of her. In a few seconds she said to me, 'Did you see that Policeman?' I told her that was nothing extraordinary, and that the police would not touch her. She replied, 'but this one was writing something; I was afraid he might have been writing 'I saw Olga, and she was very naughty.' " When Olga returned home that day she asked everyone around the palace if a policeman had dropped by to see her. She also asked her father if he had ever been to prison. Nicholas replied that he was never that naughty enough to go to prison, when then Olga said with great admiration, "Oh - how good you must have been!"

[thelastimpofrussia]

I love that story! And the one about the wrong foot too! XD almost done with the list, its already typed up, and I have to just transfer the whole thing because someone could not allow PM's from me and so now I have to retype everything. Btw, if your such a researcher, why don't you research the dates I'm not including?

[thelastimpofrussia]

The following names are my research of genealogy. They go from person 1 to one of person 1's parents below them. My hands have totally cramped up.
Juanita west (my paternal grandmother)
Walter a west
William d west
Walter a west
Mahala Duncan
John Duncan
Dorcas Lightfoot
John Lightfoot
Phillip Lightfoot Jr
Phillip Lightfoot sr
Mary Jane Jones
Priscilla aske
Robert aske
John aske
Elizabeth de Clifford
John de Clifford
John de Clifford (sr I believe)
Elizabeth Percy (as in de Percy, daughter of Henry Hotspur Percy!)
Elizabeth Mortimer
Phillipa Plantagenet
Lionel Plantagenet
King Edward III of England
King Edward II
King Edward I
King Henry III
Isabella of angouleme
Alice of Courtenay
Peter I of Courtenay
Louis vi of france
Phillip I of France
Anne of Kiev
Yaroslav the wise
Vladimir the great
Sviatoslav I of Kiev
SAINT OLGA OF KIEV!
My hand is killing me.

[aleksandr pavlovich]

   Thank you for your reply!  Be assured that I will carefully review the list.
   Exactly who is supposed to have compiled this list?  How many generations do you believe are listed? That's why dates are important.  I am certain that I will have more questions, but will keep them brief after my review, so as not to stray far OT. 
   You are saying as I understand it, that the preceeding one in the list next goes to their parents and so on, in an UNBROKEN chain?
   Already I have the impression that I see "problematic" areas.       Regards,  AP.

[Olga Bernice]

Another tidbit; Olga's saint was Olga of Kiev, my so many greats grandmother.

I think it's interesting. No matter if it is true or not, it's interesting. In doing the genealogical research, you must have gathered some interesting information on Olga of Kiev. I would love to hear it. If this is too much off topic, could you PM it to me, Talya?

[aleksandr pavlovich]

Re Post # 155:  Hello, "Talya".  To briefly bring you up-to-date so far on the listing that you kindly provided me:  Starting in REVERSE order (Saint Olga) and going forward is really more productive/revealing on perusing the list. Interestingly enough, your Posting # 161 (of ALL your 12 pages of posts) says in listing your ancestry, that you are "German, English, Scottish, Irish, Cherokee, Seneca Cauyga, maybe a bit Swedish (unsure)."  That does fit in nicely with your also saying elsewhere that your "ancestors" were from Oklahoma.  Not a mention of Russian ancestry (prominent or otherwise) anywhere.  Interesting!     Regards,  AP.

[thelastimpofrussia]

You do know that I have another side to my family, that does contain most of the American Indian, German, and Irish. Its nice to know I have my own personal stalker... (sarcasm) I also have different sides to my family, I just did not explain all of them. For example, I have my paternal grandfather, and his parents and their parents, etc. My family is not one dimensional, as you a 'genealogist' should know.

[Sarushka]

Talya and aleksandr pavlovich, please continue this conversation via PM. While I appreciate aleksandr's position regarding proof for such a bold genealogical claim, your exchange is straying too far off topic.

Re Post # 155: 

Aleksandr, please also note that it's not effective in the long term to refer to post numbers in this manner. Since I perform a monthly clean-up of off-topic and redundant posts, those post numbers are almost guaranteed to change on a regular basis. If you want your references to other members' posts to remain constant, it's much more advantageous to quote a relevant section as I've done above.

[aleksandr pavlovich]

   As to your second paragraph, "Sarushka," I appreciate the tip!  Will do, from now onwards, rather than use the "Post Number" system. Thanks!
   As to your first paragraph, referencing (as you so perceptively put it) "this bold genealogical claim", I believe that most people who have read the exchange, have already formed their opinion of this "sudden (after a history of 10+ pages of prior posts) revelation" of alleged descent. It is IMO, rather like people who purchase antique paintings of long-dead subjects, and proudly show them off as "instant ancestors" !  At the risk of being misunderstood or mis-quoted, I elected to NOT exchange PMs with this particular person, and thus have responded "in the open." However, in due deference to you, this will be my last post on this particular matter.  
  Thanks again for your concern and insight. As always, I appreciate the opportunity to respond.     Best regards,  AP.

[Sarushka]

Click here to read Queen Victoria's journal entry with the news of Olga's birth.

[Jen_94]

Very interesing find, thanks for that Sarushka.

[Olga Maria]

“Grand Duchess Olga was a slender girl of moderate height, finely proportioned and wonderfully feminine. All her movements are of soft and subtle grace. Her gaze, quick and timid, and her smile, a fleeting but charming one, gives a spellbinding feeling. But the most unforgettable were her eyes of blue, turquoise colors of the Urals, gently burning and radiantly shining.”

~from Simeon Pavlovich Pavlov’s memoirs
(I’ve had them translated from Russian a year ago, and I forgot to copy the link for it : (