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Re: When were OTMA expected to marry/move out?
« Reply #60 on: April 12, 2009, 11:36:05 PM »
I believe the average age of marriage was 14 and up for most common folks.    However with upper class it might have been possible to be 16 and older.  After all Olga, Tatiana and Maria would have been presented to society as ladies once they hit 16.

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Re: When were OTMA expected to marry/move out?
« Reply #61 on: April 13, 2009, 04:37:31 AM »
I believe the average age of marriage was 14 and up for most common folks.    However with upper class it might have been possible to be 16 and older.  After all Olga, Tatiana and Maria would have been presented to society as ladies once they hit 16.

Well, remember, Nicholas once rebuffed a marriage proposal for Maria when she was sixteen, saying that she was just a schoolgirl. I'm not sure about the common people, but I believe in Nicholas' time girls were already marrying when they were older than 14. Maybe in the previous centuries, but not really in the 1910s...

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Re: When were OTMA expected to marry/move out?
« Reply #62 on: April 13, 2009, 10:44:08 AM »
I've always though it was after 16, they were 'mature' then, but often not psychically. Only heard OM stories wedding. Maybe Maria looked older that Tatiana then.
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Re: When were OTMA expected to marry/move out?
« Reply #63 on: April 13, 2009, 10:57:31 AM »
Maria´s wedding story was such that simply Prince Carol liked her best of her sisters. He didn´t care much if she was the saceond or third daughter. She was 16 when he asked for her hand - so practically she was an adult, but Nicolas didn´t accept the proposal saying she was "just a school-girl".

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Re: When were OTMA expected to marry/move out?
« Reply #64 on: April 13, 2009, 11:11:28 AM »
Ally said it pretty good.....Share her opinion....After all to me the girls at less had to have 17 18 to marry...in my opinion .... Irina Alexandrovna married at age 19.....So it may be just early for them to marry 16....i know they start wearing their hair up and everything but inside you are not enough older for such big step....

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Royal matches for OTMA
« Reply #65 on: October 24, 2013, 09:13:06 AM »
I didn't know where to put this either here or having fun.

My question is besides the Romanian royals, what other matches did Nicholas and Alexandra consider for OTMAA in regards to other European royals?

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Re: Royal matches for OTMA
« Reply #66 on: October 24, 2013, 04:55:53 PM »
I don't think any. By the time that Olga and Tatiana were of age, WW1 was upon them. Olga was the only one--with Prince Carol--who got close to an actual match. Apparently Miechen made an overture towards the royal couple regarding a match between her son Boris and Olga. That was shot down quickly. There were stories in the papers though about the following matches:

Olga--Prince Carol, Prince Alexander of Serbia (later Alexander I of Yugoslavia), David of Wales (later Edward VII)
Tatiana--David of Wales , George of Greece (later George I)

I think there were one or two other speculations (such as with GD Dmitri) but nothing that had any real behind it. It was mostly confined to the Orthodox male royals as well--except for David. That was a favorite with the papers because the girls were also descendants of Queen Victoria and so lovely.
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Re: Royal matches for OTMA
« Reply #67 on: October 25, 2013, 01:25:18 AM »
That one with GD Dmitri was mentioned in the 'Later Memoirs of Anna Vyrubova' which was different from her known memoirs. Anna said he intended to marry Tatiana but nothing happened.
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« Reply #68 on: October 25, 2013, 10:53:11 AM »
Gah! My typo. It should be George II. LOL George I was dead before those girls were marriageable age.
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Re: Royal matches for OTMA
« Reply #69 on: October 27, 2013, 03:38:42 AM »
How serious had they been about the idea of Olga and GD Dmitri?
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« Reply #70 on: April 10, 2018, 07:45:09 AM »
Maybe it was considered at one point. Dmitri was very close to the Tsar and his family. And I believe if Olga married him she could have stayed in Russia. Take the exemple of her aunt Xenia. As for the others girls my dream matches had always been Tatiana Nikolaevna & Konstantin Konstantinovich, Maria Nikolaevna & Oleg Konstantinovich, Anastasia Nikolaevna & Igor Konstantinovich.  Maybe because KR had so many sons, so the girls could have married a prince and in the same time to stay in Russia with their parents.
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Re: Royal matches for OTMA
« Reply #71 on: April 11, 2018, 10:10:22 AM »
I watched a series on YouTube on the Scandinavian Royals ("A Royal Family, Episode 1: The Father in law of Europe" etc.) consisting of interviews with members of the various Royal families including Margrethe II.  In it, they mention that the two youngest daughters Maria and Anastasia were considered as possible brides for her father King Frederick IX who was born in 1899.  Unfortunately the events of 1918 put an end to that.

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Re: Royal matches for OTMA
« Reply #72 on: April 12, 2018, 06:00:02 AM »
Frederik IX seems to have been a decent man, so could have been a good match for one of the younger daughters. However, marriageable age for men was higher than for women - typically 25-30 - so such a marriage would not be a serious proposition until well into the 1920s.

In any event, Nicholas does not seem to have visited his Danish cousins much after his marriage, so did the girls actually know Frederik? I'm happy to be corrected on this one, but Nicholas's visits to Denmark seem to have come to an end with his marriage.

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Re: Royal matches for OTMA
« Reply #73 on: July 16, 2018, 04:20:12 PM »
Just a few random comments about OTMA marriages.

1. Olga was very religious and that meant she was not interested in marrying Carol of Romania or Dmitri Pavlovich, both of whom were "players". In retrospect, she would have been better served marrying Ioann K in theory but there was no romantic spark, so he married Helen of Serbia.

2. None of the girls could have married unequally due to the Fundamental Law of the Russian Empire. I believe had there been no war, the older two would have been introduced to other royal eligible men with the hope that a match or two could have come from it.

3. I have stated over the past 50 or so years that we can figure out some probable marriages for the girls based on the marriages of the men who would have married them:

A. Olga - Alexander of Yugoslavia (1888 - 1933) was sincerely Christian and was seeing Olga at the AP right before the Revolution. His sister Helen was living in Russia and she was known to support a match with Olga. He had no engagements until he married in 1922 and broke down when he was told of Olga's death.

B. Tatiana - Edward VIII (1894 - 1972) - Tatiana had the kind of personality to be able to dominate her spouse without being obnoxious. I think World History would have been changed if this marriage could have happened.

C. Maria - George II of Greece (1890 - 1947) - these two could have made beautiful royal babies together. Both were good looking and while he was not a successful monarch, he seemed to crave the domestic life that Maria wanted.

D. Anastasia - A Romanov - had her sisters all married sovereigns (or about to be sovereigns) - it is likely that she could have had her pick among her family. The Konstantinovichi  brothers had handsome and talented young men who enjoyed theater as she did.