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« Reply #285 on: November 10, 2008, 03:00:13 PM »
Nicholas II, by Grand Duchess Ally:

Tatiana Nicholaievna:

There are many of Nicholas II, Alexandra Feodorovna, Big Pair riding horse for regiments in 1913. Sarushka has some.
Since we don't have picture of Anastasia Nicholaievna with her regiment, only OTM.
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« Reply #286 on: November 11, 2008, 11:18:58 AM »
I've always been interested in horses, although since I've been married,  I've not kept up with this interest, however, from time to time I dig into the history of the Russian horses.   

The horses upon which the IF were photographs seemed to be Arabians or have some Arabian blood.

One of my ancestors raised cavalry horses for the officers of the Tsar's army.  As a side line he raised Arabians which he personally purchased in what known then as Persia.  The information on the bloodlines of these horses have been destroyed during the Civil War.  My family were friends with the author Leo Tolstoy's father, who raised horses, as well as the Orlovs, who raised the popular trotters.  One of my great uncles hobby was to find matched pairs, which he sold to the aristocrats for large sums of money.  People came to our family's place which had a large show ring to bid and hopefully purchase one of these highly prized beasts of burden.  To show off some of these horses one of my great uncles, who was a marvelous rider, raced just like one of the stories in one of the Tolstoy's book.  I remember reading this part of the book and it was like hearing my grandfather telling the story of his brother when he raced and won. 

Today, as I have time,  I'm going to dig around the internet and see what kind of sites I can find and hopefully find some interesting history of horses in Russia.

I'll start with the Orlov Trotters since I've mentioned them.

http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/horsesinhistory/orlovtrotter.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlov_Trotter

www.centralpets.com/animals/mammals/horses/hrs477.html

http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/horses/orlovtrotter/index.htm

http://www.equisearch.com/breeds/russianorlov_051005/

>>History of the Orlov Trotter, Orlov-Rostopchin Breeds
The Orlov Trotter from Russia is one of the world's most rare horse breeds, but it is sometimes confused with the Orlov-Rostopchin, another distinctive Russian breed with a similar history.
By Laurie Bonner


The Orlov Trotter, a driving horse, has a long and naturally arched neck and a large head.
Photo courtesy of Edwina Cruise and the Kentucky Horse Park
Eighteenth century Count Alexei Orlov bred Arabian stallions with royal Spanish and Danish mares, as well as English Thoroughbreds, Dutch Friesians and other breeds, to produce the Orlov Trotter in the late 1700s.

But in addition to his Trotters, Count Orlov also used some of his same foundation Arabians to produce a saddle horse in the first decades of the 19th century. Orlov Riding Horses, as they were called, averaged about 16 hands with strong, athletic bodies, but also featured dished heads, swanlike necks and an elegant look. They were predominantly black.

At the same time, a rival breeder, Count F.V. Rostopchin was crossing his own Arabian stallions with Persian, Thoroughbred and Russian mares to produce a riding horse of this own. Rostopchin's horses were smaller, with shorter necks, but they were known for speed; his horses, too, were predominantly black.

In the 1840s, after their deaths, both breeders' studs were purchased by the state, and the two lines were combined into one breed, called the Orlov-Rostopchin (also called the Russian Saddle Horse). Many were lost during the wars of the 20th century, but enthusiasts have sought out survivors and are rebuilding the breed.
....<<

See more about the Orlov-Rostopchin breed:

http://www.ahorsebreed.com/

http://www.ahorsebreed.com/history.html
>>...after their deaths their studs were bought by the Crown, the Orlovs and Rostopchins were merged to give rise to Orlov-Rostopchins. The Orlov-Rostopchin combines the size, type and dressage abilities of the Orlovs and the speed of the Rostopchins.

In those days Russian breeding was dominated by the teachings of the French naturalist Buffon. Buffon maintained that crossing was the surest way to “reproduce the prototype” of a given animal species from “bits of perfection, which have been dispersed by God among individual breeds” and which through crossing and mixture “...combine to yield the supreme beauty.” All Russian breeders of the time went overboard in order to “reproduce the prototype,” with disappointing results.<<

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/orlov-rostopchin-horse/1706544261/?icid=VIDURVPET03

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« Reply #287 on: November 11, 2008, 12:17:41 PM »
Orlov horses continued:

http://webpages.charter.net/webman/Articles/Proud%20Black%20Horse%20of%20the%20Czars.html

>>...Shortly after German-born Czarina Ekatarina Alekseevna, also known as Catherine the Great, overthrew her husband, Czar Peter III, she rewarded her co-conspirator and lover, Count Orlov, a cavalry officer and avid horse breeder, with his choice of fine horses from her imperial stables.

The count picked Drakon, an Oriental stallion said to be Arabian (but probably a Turkoman, today's Akhal-Teke) previously presented to Catherine by the Shah of Persia; thirty-eight unraced, Russian-born English Thoroughbred mares; and a selection of Turkoman, Arabian, Karabakh, Neapolitan, and Danish Frederiksborg mares, which he transferred to Ostrov, his estate near Moscow.

From the beginning Count Orlov stressed type and beauty, trainability, intelligence, and disposition. Every horse bound for Ostrov's breeding sheds was schooled in dressage. Those unsuitable, he culled. He practiced judicious inbreeding, mating best to best. His superior Russian horse began to emerge.

Then, during the Russo-Turkish war, Catherine appointed him Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Mediterranean fleet. A brilliant military strategist, Count Orlov's forces pounded the Turks at the Bay of Chesman, for which Catherine bestowed upon him the surname addition 'Chesmensky'.

Perhaps more to his liking, by war's end he had purchased or taken as spoils of war twenty-one Oriental horses: twelve stallions and nine mares, including Sultan, a brown Turkoman, and a silver-grey Arab he renamed Smetanka.

Smetanka, the Count believed, was a wonder horse. He paid 60,000 gold rubles for the stallion, a staggering amount in an era when the sum total for all horses sold by Russian state studs that year (1774) amounted to just 5,609 gold rubles. To avoid the hazards of sea travel, he had the horse transported overland from Turkey to Russia by way of Hungary and Poland, under a protective charter issued by the Turkish government. The journey took two full years.<<

>>But those glory days paled. During World War I (in which 4.5 million horses on the Russian fronts were killed), the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution, and the civil war that followed, the breed was all but annihilated.<<
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« Reply #288 on: November 11, 2008, 04:06:01 PM »
There are many of Nicholas II, Alexandra Feodorovna, Big Pair riding horse for regiments in 1913. Sarushka has some.
Since we don't have picture of Anastasia Nicholaievna with her regiment, only OTM.

This is the only regimental photo of Maria on horseback that I'm aware of:



The vast majority of my regimental photo collection is on this thread: OTMA's regiments.
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« Reply #289 on: November 11, 2008, 07:42:50 PM »
I think we may see more than one dog.  I've found two.  Possibly a third but the shadows makes it impossible to tell.


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The third dog, most probably a cocker spaniel, is facing the black dog in the front (this black dog looks more like a small pig).

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« Reply #290 on: November 11, 2008, 09:29:05 PM »
The third dog, most probably a cocker spaniel, is facing the black dog in the front (this black dog looks more like a small pig).

Sounds like Joy and Ortino to me. (Looks like them, too.)
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« Reply #291 on: November 12, 2008, 04:26:55 AM »
Or Jemmy and Ortino. Cause Tatiana and Anastasia are in photo. Just IMO.
One of GDs on horse, most probably Maria Nicholaievna. ;) 
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« Reply #292 on: November 12, 2008, 08:02:48 AM »
IMO, both dogs are too large to be Jemmy.

You're correct -- that's Maria on the donkey.
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« Reply #293 on: November 12, 2008, 01:16:31 PM »
Yes, it is donkey!  ;)
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« Reply #294 on: November 13, 2008, 10:26:51 AM »
Horse Nicholas II rode during on his coronation day:

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/royalty/russia/coronation.html
>>The stunning splendour of the Imperial procession unfolded gradually, new groups of participants, one after another, joining this magnificent train. Preceding the Imperial procession rode the cavalcade of fourteen gendarme officers. Following them were the four sotnias (Cossack squadrons) of His Imperial Majesty's Own Escort, dressed in red Circassian coats and trimmed with silver lace. Next came His Imperial Majesty's Life-Guards Cossacks and, after them, horsemen mounted on beautiful half-tamed steppe and mountain steeds. The riders were valiant, dashing Central Asiatic and Caucasian Dzhigits, wearing oriental robes and Circassian coats embroidered in gold and silver. They were followed by the representatives of all Cossack troops. Some of the grey-haired veterans brought their grandsons with them, the little chaps seated in the same saddles. The group of attendants of the Household, musicians and hunters of the Tsar's hunt were a no less admirable sight. In the rear of that part of the procession were theHorse-Guards squadron of the Life-Guards Cavalry regiment, the horsemen wearing helmets and cuirasses, with broadswords gleaming in their hands. And then His Majesty the Tsar appeared. As befitting the occasion, he rode escorted by his lavishly brilliant suite. The Tsar was mounted on the half-bred English horse Norma, a thirteen-year-old light-gray dapple mare. The most splendid part of the procession were the fourteen coaches and phaetons covered with gold leaf and velvet, the train drawn by six horse harnessed in tandem. Some of the coaches, in the style of Louis XV, dated back to the reign of Empress Catherine II and Emperor Paul I. The coaches were adorned with paintings by the famous artists Boucher, Watteau and Gravelot. The other carriages, austere and massive, yet even more luxurious, came from the XII century. Each of the horses, beautiful and graceful, with golden trappings, was led by an equerry<<

On U-Tube, Nicholas II is shown mounting one of his horses:


http://video.aol.com/video-detail/czar-nicholas-ii-of-russia-from-1905-1868-1917/91948116

http://visualrian.com/images/item/27157
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« Reply #295 on: November 13, 2008, 11:26:20 AM »
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/stables.html

>>The old horses are allowed to walk about in the meadow during summer. On the other side of the stable is a burial ground where a row of marble slabs mark the resting places of the favorite horses. Here lies "Ami" the horse that was with the Emperor Alexander I in Paris; "Flora", the horse that carried the Emperor Nicholas at Varna; and "Cob" the horse, which the late Tsar Alexander III used to ride, when he reviewed his troops. <<

Alexander I - "Ami"

Nicholas I -  "Flora"

Alexander III - "Cob"
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« Reply #298 on: November 13, 2008, 12:23:09 PM »




Is this GD Olga Alexandrovna, dau. of Alexander III?
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« Reply #299 on: November 13, 2008, 02:15:28 PM »
Yes, she is!
Her brother Michael:


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