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« Reply #435 on: July 24, 2012, 06:05:04 PM »
I was reading a translation of Alexandra's 1917 diary and found an entry that states Joy (Alexei's dog) was bitten by a poisonous snake during the trip into exile to Tobolsk. Is this the only notation of this event?  Was the dog significantly injured or was it a "dry" bite?

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« Reply #436 on: July 24, 2012, 06:37:45 PM »
^ Odd,  in other soures say Joy attack and killed a poisonous snake, not the other way around.

anyone, knows the truth?  Joy v.s Snake

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« Reply #437 on: July 24, 2012, 07:35:26 PM »
^ Odd,  in other soures say Joy attack and killed a poisonous snake, not the other way around.


This is also the version I've read.
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« Reply #438 on: July 24, 2012, 08:02:04 PM »
Interesting. The source I read it in was the English translation of "Empress Alexandra Feodorovna, Her Diaries: 1917 & 1918" by Stephen R. de Angelis.  I quote from the August 9, 1917 entry "Joy was bitten by a poisonous snake."

Now I'm very curious to figure out which is correct.  I would think if Joy had been bitten, there would have been subsequent entries of Joy's injuries by the Empress or anecdotes by other members of the family or suite given Joy was a family pet.
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« Reply #439 on: July 25, 2012, 06:01:05 AM »
Nicholas II does mention the snake incident also.

For those who speak the Russian language, here are the relevant sentences from Nicholas' and Alexandra's diaries.

Alexandra:  "Джой укушен ядовитой змеей."

Nicholas: "Джоя укусила змея."

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« Reply #440 on: July 26, 2012, 03:39:46 PM »
Nicholas II does mention the snake incident also.

For those who speak the Russian language, here are the relevant sentences from Nicholas' and Alexandra's diaries.

Alexandra:  "Джой укушен ядовитой змеей."

Nicholas: "Джоя укусила змея."


Yes, that is what they recorded in their respective diaries.

This incident happended on the journey from Tsarskoe Selo to Tobolsk.

It is not mentioned in any of their extant letters.

Empress Alexandra reported it in the passive voice: "Joy was bitten by a poisonous snake".

Tsar Nicholas wrote in the active voice: "A snake bit Joy".
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« Reply #441 on: July 26, 2012, 06:27:30 PM »
Thank you for verifying the translations.

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« Reply #442 on: July 26, 2012, 07:40:34 PM »
Nicholas II does mention the snake incident also.

For those who speak the Russian language, here are the relevant sentences from Nicholas' and Alexandra's diaries.

Alexandra:  "Джой укушен ядовитой змеей."

Nicholas: "Джоя укусила змея."


Do you have the date of those entries handy? I'd like to note the incident in my copy of the diaries.
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« Reply #443 on: July 27, 2012, 08:48:20 AM »
Sarushka, it was entered for August 9, 1917.

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« Reply #444 on: July 27, 2012, 09:43:41 AM »
To be more precise: It was after the Imperial family had already arrived in Tobolsk, but were still living on the boat while the houses were being made ready for them.

It was during one of their daily excursions.
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« Reply #445 on: July 27, 2012, 04:49:00 PM »
Sarushka, it was entered for August 9, 1917.

Thanks!
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« Reply #446 on: September 25, 2012, 11:23:56 AM »
So very glad to see this thread is still active. 

I've always found that humans show more of their true character when next to their pets.

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« Reply #447 on: September 27, 2012, 03:51:48 PM »
Katierina


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« Reply #448 on: October 02, 2012, 07:36:48 PM »
I went through my collection and this is the only one I could find



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« Reply #449 on: October 02, 2012, 07:40:41 PM »
Aleksander III, MF, Ksenia and doggies

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