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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #60 on: June 03, 2005, 09:00:51 PM »
Hard to see how a picture of such an event could be done in "good taste". These are just dramatisations. Real pictures of real death abound, most people just do not choose to look at them.
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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #61 on: July 29, 2005, 12:33:37 PM »
I definatly know that at least Tatiana, Maria and Anastasia had hidden diamonds in their clothing; this is why they were the last three to die as the bullets couldn't penetrate the diamonds.

As for the idea of "frisking", it could well have happened and they were probably subjetc to alot of "frisking", especially as the guards were on orders to never leave them alone, even when they went to the bathroom....

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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #62 on: July 29, 2005, 04:06:32 PM »
Olga probably had them too- but she was shot in the head. I can't think of any reason for her to not have them...

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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #63 on: July 30, 2005, 05:26:12 PM »
In one book I have read that all girls were inspected by Mr. Didkovsky - but I do not think that  it was "intimate" inspection, because  Yurovsky's band understood about jewels in the closes only when they shoot them. So Yurovsky ordered to take all closes from the dead bodies in order to check........
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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #64 on: August 02, 2005, 12:40:22 AM »


Was this statue built on the spot of the Ipatiev house?

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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #65 on: August 02, 2005, 07:25:04 AM »
I always thaught that on the Ipatiëvhouse spot is now a church or something, and were they were murdred a cross.
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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #66 on: August 02, 2005, 09:52:49 AM »
This is indeed the Church of the Spilled Blood in Ekaterinburg.

The statue is to the left, and it shows the Emperor holding his beloved son as they are massacred.

Indeed a church has been built upon the spot, a beautiful church, a timely church, and it is a much frequented church in a city...which does not hide its monarchical convictions.

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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #67 on: August 07, 2005, 08:20:16 AM »
1. The reason the jewels were not found was that they were actually sewn into their corsets, so then when they tried to find out why the bullets were bouncin off them, they tore open the corsets to find the jewels.

2. I believe that they weren't mear jewels, but diamonds.


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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #68 on: August 07, 2005, 08:32:52 AM »
Actually, it was Olga, Tatiana & Anastasia who had the jewelry hidden in their undergarments. They didn't begin the process of concealing them until after Nicholas, Alexandra, and Maria had been transported out of Tobolsk.

I tend toward King & Wilson's beliefs about the Romanov's captivity, so as for me, I don't think the frisking scenario happened.
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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #69 on: August 07, 2005, 05:10:10 PM »
Alexei looks rather tiny, like he's five, rather than going on fourteen. :-/

I read in Born to Rule, in the Epilogue, that on the site where either the house was, or the burial grounds, I forget which, but it said that seven seperate churches were being built, for each member of them family? Did this ever happen, or were they combined to form the one church?
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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #70 on: August 07, 2005, 06:19:45 PM »
as mentioned above there is a formal cathedral on the spot of the murder (Ipatiev House).  I believe it does have seven seperate churches within it.

I also believe there is a wooden church now at the site of where the family was buried.
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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #71 on: August 08, 2005, 05:03:16 AM »
If it was only Olga, Tatiana and Anastasia, if we take the theory that Olga was shot in the head, then why was it Tatiana, MARIA and Anastasia whom the bullets were flying off??

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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #72 on: August 08, 2005, 10:10:16 AM »
Sarastasia --

There's been a lot of talk on this subject around here. Here's two threads for you to explore, which should help you decide what you believe:

http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=lastdays;action=display;num=1102887317
(deals with Maria's lack of jewels at the time of the execution)

http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=lastdays;action=display;num=1117473340
(deals with questions about the concealed jewels in general)

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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #73 on: August 08, 2005, 12:26:01 PM »
The myth about the frisking is probably based on two different things:

1.  During the boat ride from Tobolsk to Ekaterinburg, SOMETHING happened to the Grand Duchesses.  The soldiers were all drunk and herded all the women into one room, and locked the men into another.  The GDs were screaming and crying during the night.  They did not take off their clothes, which is an indication that no rape occurred, but it is likely that there was some pretty awful stuff said to them and perhaps done in front of them.  

2.  Every morning in either TObolsk or Ekaterinburg, the entire family was gathered in a room and forced to "identify themselves".  Literally, the commander would say "Are you the GD Maria?" and she would have to step forward and say "yes".  

Given that several of the Grand Duchesses developed social relationships with their male guards, in addition to the above, it would be natural for the Empress to insist that everyone keep their corsets on.

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Re: Imprisonment, Last Days & Death of Romanovs in 1918
« Reply #74 on: August 08, 2005, 08:50:26 PM »
Weren't they burried at a big Cathedral?

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