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Re: Two Vancouver Tsesarevichs?
« on: April 04, 2005, 10:01:47 AM »
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Just call Mitotyping Technologies, Dr. Teri Melton. Find out how much the DNA test will cost, GET THE MONEY and be done with it...
The rest is just unproductive speculation and theory that will never lead to an answer. If you just get the DNA test, you will have a REAL answer.

PS, your spelling is very poor for someone raised in Connecticut. ALSO, why not avail yourself of the public records of births, deaths,marriages etc to find out the truth of your mother's story?  All this sounds, at least to me, like you are "fishing" for something....for someone who claims that this "ruined your life" and you "aren't interested" you keep posting the same things over and over and over...

Not meant to be rude, truly. Just that as an impartial observer, that is how it all appears to me.

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Re: Two Vancouver Tsesarevichs?
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2005, 01:49:44 AM »
Rob - The poster started his own thread at my request and has agreed to keep his differences with Kendrick off our Forum. Let's PM about the rest.

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Re: Two Vancouver Tsesarevichs?
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2005, 09:55:24 AM »
am I the only one who finds it "odd" and more than suspicious that the original poster REMOVED his original posting after my response? Lisa, i didn't say he couldn't post, I just thought to give him a dose of reality about his "claims"...

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Re: Two Vancouver Tsesarevichs?
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2005, 11:32:30 AM »
He was probably offended by that  remark about his spelling. ;D ;D

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Re: Two Vancouver Tsesarevichs?
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2005, 05:08:20 AM »
hey   u talking about the tamment imposter  
i hate imposters who  have no true claim like anna anderson and all those hill billies.
i believe  if there was any  survivors in 1918 they would  of shut up and hid so they wont be next.
thats  what they did if  he  survived.
dont judge my spelling or grammer
bitch.

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Re: Two Vancouver Tsesarevichs?
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2005, 08:22:16 AM »
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   I agree, as I doubt that if anyone could have possibly survived the executions that they would not have made some attempt to contact relatives abroad.

   I don't understand your "pregnant dog" remark - please clarify?

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Re: Two Vancouver Tsesarevichs?
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2005, 09:57:47 AM »
lovebird has been terminated as a user for violation of the rules regarding conduct and language.

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Re: Two Vancouver Tsesarevichs?
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2005, 12:01:46 PM »
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As beast as i can discern the time context in the first week of november 1959, at the age of 5 years 2 and a half months my mother told me "...Your real father is the Tsar of Russia, and you're going to meet him real soon." 45 years later i recognise the sensations i clearly remember as being symptoms of shock. It got worse. After explaining that a Tsar was "like a king only better" my mother told me that i would meet this man, i would go away with him, and i woul never come back. "So get all yout toys together so you can take them with you when you go."
She carefully explained the man had a disese that if he started bleeding he couldn't stop. So i couldn't jump up on him or sit in his lap.
The next day a man came to our house. My mother introduced him saying "This is your father. Mister Romanov, the Tsar of Russia." Then she presented me with "This is your son. We call him Jeffery, but of corse, you can name him anthing you like." As if i was a cat or dog or some object.
I objected as strenuosly as i could "No he can't. No one can name me. Not unless i say so!"  My mother started scolding me and he put a stop to it. He said "You are absolutely right Jeffery. No one can do such a thing without your permissin." That stopped my mother.  I was greatful.
I asked him if he was realy a king and he said "No. Russia hasn't had a monarch in manny years. But when my father was alive he was Tsar." I had trouble with the word "monarch" at that age, he explained it to me.
I learned his name was Aleksei. After what my mother had said the thought came to me i might be better off chosing a name than having one stuck on me. I liked him and i liked the name so i asked if i could have it too. He said "Sure you can."
But i'd like to keep Jeffery as my middle name."
"Oh, it doesn't work that way. In Russian your middle name comes from your father's first name. So you would be Aleksei Alekseevich, because your father's name is Aleksei. Just like i am Aleksei Nikolaevich because my father's name was Nikolai." That is why i use the lable "Alekseevich" here.
My mother had either contacted or was concidering contactin Anna Anderson. His responce was an addamant "She is not my sister!"
He told me all the rest of the Family was killed. He had seen his father shot then they shot him. I aked how he got away. "They shot me. and i though i was dead. Then i woke up. it was a miricle."
I thought i had the answer when i said "they must have shot you with blanks."
He said "Even with blanks it sould have killed me." That surprised me, and he did his best to explain a blank wass "still an explosion. Lots of hot gasses. it can do a lot of damage." I remember the words exactly perhaps because i couldn't grasp their meening. When i said i didn't understand he replied "Thats alright. you don't have to." I asked where they shot him. "They put the gun right in my ear. I don't hear in this ear so good any more." indicating his left ear. He said he was shot again while he was unconsious. "the bullets were found in my clothing."
He told me he knew where his sister Maria was burried, but the rest of the family's remains were tossed down a deep mine. He believed they could not be recovered.
When we talked about birthdays he was put out, for lack of a better term, that at the age of 5 i could not tell there were 3 days difference between his birthday and mine. (August 12/August 15) At that age he had been taught how to do that. He had the real Aleksei Nikolaeviches birthday right.  An age difference of 50 years 3 days.
He invited me to sit on his lap. I wouldn't because of what my mother had told me. He asked why and my mother said "I wouldn't want you to start bleeding." I can't recall his exact responce. my mother continued "Wouldn't you have to go to the hospital." His adamant tone reapered. "I do not have Hemophilia!"
"But they say"
"They were wrong!" It was the only time i saw him angry.
I don't remember much of what we talked about while i was  on his lap. he produced a camera and asked my mother to take photographs of the two of us. He instructed her to get down and take the picture looking up at him. She refused. "Im not getting on my knees to take a picture." He said he would have to have it (the photo) fixed later.
Somewhere along the line we had time together without my mother. He said i wasn't suposed to be told he was my father. what should have happened was me being told he was a relative from Canada who didn't have an Heir and would i be willing to be his. He explained what an heir was, and i agreed to be his.
With my mother back in the room it was about time for him to leave. my mother told me "get all your toys." it was time for me to go. he told her "It doesn't work that way." I was suposed to stay where i was. She threatened my life right there in front of me. He said "what about your husband?" Refereing to the man i had called "Daddy" all my life. My mother's responce was "You are right here." I immediately questioned him about this, could big people do more than one marriage? He told me it was complicated and i would understand it later. Because he had been so good about explaining things i accepted his answer. He told me "it is important that you remember your mother and i were married in a Russian Orthodox church." Obviously he knew Pauline law. I told him i had trouble with that word that started with the O sound. "Just as long as you remember it was a Russian Church."
There are more details that i can't include today. I've typed about as much as i can. I'm going to be away for awhile so you can all have your way with this untill i can get back on line. Suffice it to say I recognised the photographs on John Kendrick's website soely from my recolection of what this man looked like. I found the site because i remembered he said he lived in Canada. To my five year old eye he was noticebly shorter than my mother who was all of 5 foot 2 inches tall. His hair had blond highlights exactly where it looks lighter in the photos, and his profile was unmistakable. Besides, i deliberately wispered a "secret" into his bad ear. If that isn't the man i met, he has the same left ear.
 


This is an interesting story.

Even if the man you thought was the son of Nicholas II may not have been Nicholas II's son,  I'd like to hear more.

If indeed this man wasn't Nicholas II's son Alexei,  as most suspect,   it appears you may have been caught in a "lie" because this person was claiming he was.

If caught in a lie with others, including your mother and you, then others may also have believed him.

In the end, this may end up being a great true story about the intrigues of a man who ruined many lives not just your own.

You said your DNA proves you are related to someone.  I forget to whom you say your related [other than Nicholas II].  So, this, alone, may be a whole new story for us to discover and ponder.

So, please, continue.  Let's discover what's true.

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« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by AGRBear »
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

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Re: Two Vancouver Tsesarevichs?
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2005, 12:08:00 PM »
Here is what Alekeevich wrote:
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As a member of the Religeous society of Friends (Quakers) i tell you what i said was true. I was told i have the same Y chromosome as a "Proven descendant" of Aleksander  III. That is God's honest truth. I always left that in quotes because i have serious doughts about that source. I would be happy to have reason to dismiss it.
As for the man who's face i recognise from the photopgraphs of "Heinno Tammet" His face, with him attached was in CT not only in 1969 but in the first week of november 1959. I never heard the name Heino Tammet before i saw the web site. I am firmly convinced that some of the photos on that web site are the man i met in 1959.
I do not concider myself any kind of claiment. I am seeking truth by speaking truth. What i would really like is answers. Either proof that the things i was told from the time i was 5 were lies, or not.


And, let me say, again, I do not know this person.  I do not make any claims what he is telling us is true.

If he is whom he claims,  I'd like to know more.

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« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by AGRBear »
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

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Re: Two Vancouver Tsesarevichs?
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2005, 02:40:22 PM »
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Here is what Alekeevich wrote:

And, let me say, again, I do not know this person.  I do not make any claims what he is telling us is true.

If he is whom he claims,  I'd like to know more.

AGRBear


Good point, I am sure we would all like to know what is going on here...
Alas if it was so very easy to actually speak the truth by simply saying "it's the truth" then we'd all be 'saints in paradise!'

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Re: Two Vancouver Tsesarevichs?
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2005, 09:34:41 AM »
Alice in Wonderland is my favourite book.... ::)

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Re: Two Vancouver Tsesarevichs?
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2005, 11:51:09 AM »
ummm..


ok.. Im not going to jugde you, and will suppose that everything you said took place just as you said it did.

Still, what it all comes down to is you not having ANY evidence whatsoever to support this claim.

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Re: Two Vancouver Tsesarevichs?
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2005, 07:40:34 PM »
What has been  "the limited genetic testing that has been done"?

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Re: Two Vancouver Tsesarevichs?
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2005, 06:10:27 AM »
Yes...it's all very clear... ::)

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Re: Two Vancouver Tsesarevichs?
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2005, 10:37:22 AM »
I had lunch with Lisa Davidson yesterday, and we talked about this.  IF you are really serious about getting the DNA testing done, please contact her and she will arrange to have the costs covered for you.

So, email or PM her if you want to have the testing.

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