King Mihai of Romania and his family

[JGP]

And based on your extensive knowledge - under which house law does Prince Radu become King??

Trying to get into your mind set (a.k.a. ignorance and irrational prejudice) I suppose the Prince Radu of your "I have the impression" will simply ignore the house laws because as you and the Romanian gutter press appear to believe:-
1. King Michael is an old man and incapable of making decisions. Obviously Prince Radu must be pulling his strings.
2. Crown Princess Margarita is, after all, only a woman. Obviously, she's incapable of making her own decisions. Her husband must be pulling the strings.
3. Prince Radu is a former actor. He was in the Securitate! He's not royal! He's no better than you and me! He's can't be committed to public service via the royal house. He MUST be using his position for political and financial gain.
4. Nicholas Medforth-Mills is stripped of his title by the King for dubious activities and actions in Romania. But, as we all know the King is far too old to be making decisions. It must be the ambitious former actor and Securitate spy, Prince Radu, who, in true tabloid, panto style and consumed with jealousy plotted the downfall of Mr Medforth Mills.

It's sad that such a good and decent man has to put up with this kind of offensive rubbish - and surprising that one of the so-called 'moderators on this board seems to have no qualms in propagating it.

Your ugly comments directed at Lisa Davidson are extremely offensive to me.  She responded to your posts politely and rationally (as she usually does) and even stated that "we will have to agree to disagree on this".  Calling her ignorant and prejudiced is beyond the pale.  You owe her an apology.  Regards, JGP

[DavidH]

When Lisa Davidson provides one iota of credible evidence to support her offensive comments about Prince Radu - that Nicholas Medforth-Mills 'had a falling out with Prince Radu' and 'Radu wants to be King after his father-in-law passes' then I will most certainly apologise. I suspect I will be waiting a long time - such evidence does not exist.

What does exist is twenty years of hard work and commitment from Prince Radu - to Romania and to the royal house -  of support to the King and to the Crown Princess -  of making a significant contribution to rebuilding the idea of the civil society, of decency, honesty and transparency in public life - all of which deserves to be acknowledged and celebrated.

[LisaDavidson]

Let's look at the facts:

1. King Michael, who is elderly and ill with cancer, is the only male dynast currently part of the Romanian Royal Family. He currently spends much of his time in Switzerland due to illness.
2. The only other potential male dynasts, who according to King Michael are the only ones who can succeed their aunt, Margarita, are Nicholas Medforth Mills, formerly Prince of Romania, and his cousin Michael Kreuger.
3. As Michael's designated successor, Margarita is past childbearing age.
4. After her father passes, she will either have to name one of her nephews her successor or allow the dynasty to become extinct.
5. Therefore, in order to survive, this dynasty will have to name one of the two young men heir.

None of the above statements are opinion, they are facts.

Clearly, from 2007 through 2015, according to the family statutes, the heir after Margarita was Nicholas. Again, this is not an opinion.

What was an opinion was when I said "I have the impression that Radu wants to be king". Now this was clearly subjective, and on this point, I told you we would have to agree to disagree.

Also an opinion was that Nicholas had a falling out with Radu. This statement is based on what I have been told by individuals who know all the parties involved. If you choose to not believe me, so be it.

But I see no reason to belabor these points as I have provided what explanations I see fit.

[Marc]

Sorry for interfering, but I don't think Lisa wanted to offend Radu, but just stated what she thought or might have heard.

The thing that Radu is very active in promoting Romanian royal family is a fact and thumbs up for these actions.

 

[Forum Admin]

I will only add that I have known Lisa for over 20 years. She does indeed know individuals involved and reports accurately what she knows from her interactions with those people. She only protects their privacy, as she should, by not dragging them into this.

If you disagree with her statements of fact as she knows it and her opinions on the subject, that is certainly her right but there is no reason to continue to belabor the point.

FA

[DavidH]

The 'point' here Forum Administrator is that Lisa Davidson made offensive and derogatory statements about Prince Radu. She made claims about the actions and activities of the Prince for which she has - and there is - NO evidence. I can also state with complete confidence that Lisa Davidson does NOT know Prince Radu, the Crown Princess or indeed Nicholas Medforth Mills. What she is repeating from her 'interactions' with the 'people involved' is gossip, innuendo and Romanian gutter press speculation.

I believe that to be unacceptable behaviour - particularly from a moderator -and it should be challenged. I would suggest that instead of trying to defend Lisa Davidson's bad behaviour, your time would be better spent re-examining the role of moderators and what - and how -  they post on this site. 

 

[Forum Admin]

You are the one who believes Lisa's statements are "derogatory and offensive". That is your belief. I know who she knows and who she doesn't.  As a moderator she has my full support and confidence.  If you don't like this forum or the way I run it you are welcome to leave and take your opinions elsewhere.  Lisa is equally free to express her opinions as you, or anyone else.  Her status as a Mod is irrelevant to that point.

This part of the discussion is now closed. David you will now refrain from any further comment about Lisa and her opinions.  This subject is no longer to be discussed. You are free to discuss the facts and other subjects pertinent to this topic, but if you discuss Lisa's personal statements or her personally, as in who she does or doesn't know, you will be given a "time out".

No further discussion on this please.

[DavidH]

"You are the one who believes Lisa's statements are "derogatory and offensive".

If I posted comments in this public forum which claimed that someone is behaving in a dishonest and dishonourable way - then I would expect - when challenged - to be able to back up my comments with FACTS and verifiable evidence. To refuse to do so on the basis of needing to protect 'the privacy of...sources' is both feeble and disingenuous as such a response effectively offers carte blanche for anyone to make any kind of accusation or derogatory statement without the responsibility of backing it up.  That is a very dangerous precedent.

To sully the reputation of anybody on the basis of 'I have the feeling that...' is unacceptable. If you don't understand this - then I'm sorry for you.

[Forum Admin]

David has been given a 30 day "Time Out" from the Forum for not dropping the subject as requested.

[LisaDavidson]

Thank you to our FA for his friendship and support.

I would like to clarify that I have been acquainted with various members of the Royal Family over many years and have nothing but respect for all of them, including Prince Radu. I don't know why DavidH has behaved as he has, but I have tried to explain my reasoning and remarks to the best of my ability.

Above all, I would like this family to endure past the current generation. I just don't know how that will happen given the current circumstances.

I fail to see how saying I think Prince Radu wants to be King is so offensive. He's married to Crown Princess Margarita and if the monarchy is restored, he will be King of Romania if she ascends the throne after her father. Radu has never given me the impression he is anything but completely devoted to the monarchy, King Michael, his wife, and his country.

The foregoing is my opinion, and if you don't agree....well there is no reason to keep this going.

[DavidH]

I fail to see how saying I think Prince Radu wants to be King is so offensive. He's married to Crown Princess Margarita and if the monarchy is restored, he will be King of Romania if she ascends the throne after her father.[/i][/i]

You appear, somehow, to have overlooked the following from the Fundamental Rules of The Royal Family of Romania: The Complete House Statue dated 30.12.07.

Article 2: Titles of members of the Royal House: Point 8
'Where the future Head of the Royal House of Romania is female, her consort shall receive the title of “His Royal Highness The Prince Consort of Romania” (ad personam), and in accordance with Art. 1 (7), a title rank and style which will take precedence over any other title, Romanian or foreign, that he might have, for so long as they remain married and for so long as that the Head of the Royal House of Romania is living or remains Head of the Royal House of Romania.'

Romania is simply following the precedent - of which you also seem curiously unaware - of the Dutch, British and Danish monarchies. The consorts of Queens Wilhelmina, Juliana and Beatrix of the Netherlands did not hold the title of King - nor do the consorts of Queen Elizabeth II and the present Queen of Denmark.

[miki_nastya]

Sad news for my country... It seems that King Michael is in a critical condition. He is in his house in Aubonne, Switzerland, surrounded by his family and close friends.

[LisaDavidson]

King Michael's condition is said to have stabilized. Margarita has returned to her home in Bucharest.

[miki_nastya]

King Michael of Romania died today at 13 PM in his private residence in Switzerland. Rest in peace Your Majesty

[TimM]

RIP King Michael