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« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2007, 09:57:31 AM »
Hi Helen,

Yes, I agree;  although I consider Irene Pappas a very good actress.

Casting agents always see Katherine of Aragon as a black haired woman.  Even in "The Tudors", she is given black hair.  I suppose they think all Spanish people have jet black hair......
K of A was a redhead, or at least an auburn haired woman.

Larry

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« Reply #31 on: November 29, 2007, 10:08:34 AM »
Hi Helen,

Yes, I agree;  although I consider Irene Pappas a very good actress.

Casting agents always see Katherine of Aragon as a black haired woman.  Even in "The Tudors", she is given black hair.  I suppose they think all Spanish people have jet black hair......
K of A was a redhead, or at least an auburn haired woman.

Larry

Irene Pappas is a great actress but she was not right for this role... Just because KoA was Spanish, Hollywood often tends to choose actresses who "look" Spanish. In reality nothing was farther from the truth... I find that kind of annoying.

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« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2007, 05:39:05 AM »
Hey guys thanks for the awsome information.  :)

Has anyone else notice that casting people give Mary (daughter of Katherine and Henry) brown hair?  LOL.

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« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2007, 06:07:50 AM »
Casting people do not choose their actors by hair colour for these costume pictures- everyone wears wigs. Hair colour would be choosen by the director, art directors, costumers.they are concerned  about how the finished product comes out on film, not  historical acciuracy  about something as trivial as hair colour.

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« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2007, 04:28:35 AM »
  I have always liked the fictional Prisoner of Zenda movies based on the Anthony Hope novel.The 1937 and 1952 movies are now on the one DVD

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« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2007, 04:55:07 AM »
For fiction, and comedy, ALL of the Muskateers films and the classic farce- Start the Revolution Without Me.
 There have been a couple of rather dark films about Mayerling, but the titles escape me.

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« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2007, 09:35:57 AM »
Hi Robert,

The Mayerling films were both entitled "Mayerling".
One was the 1936 version stariing Charles Boyer and Danielle Darrieux as the lovers.
The other was made in 1968 and featured Omar Sarif and Catherine Deneuve as Rudolph & Maria.  Interestingly, James Mason played Emperor Franz Joseph & Ava Gardner was Empress Elisabeth.

Larry

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« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2007, 11:16:30 AM »
Thanks Larry. I remember the films, and should have guessed the title. I liked the 1968 version best, as I recall. I think, in 1936, there were too many still alive, close to the actual events, that could have put a damper on dramatic license. Especially considering the Yussoupov lawsuit against MGM.

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« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2007, 06:38:02 PM »
Anne of the Thousand Days starred Richard Burton and Genevieve Bujold.

There was a movie in the early 1970s about Queen Christina of Sweden that starred Peter Finch and Liv Ullman. I would love to have a copy of it if it ever comes out as a DVD. Can't remember the title. An earlier film about the Swedish queen starred Greta Garbo about a million years ago.


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« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2007, 10:05:11 PM »
Hi,

The Liv Ullman film about Queen Christina was called "The Abdication" and the Greta Garbo film was "Queen Christina" made in 1933.

Larry

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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2007, 10:45:10 PM »
One of my favorite films is The Swan, about fictional middle European royals. It takes place in 1910, and I think those interested in that particular period probably would enjoy this highly entertaining comedy/drama. 

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« Reply #41 on: December 06, 2007, 03:26:44 AM »
I forget the year, but one of the funniest movies ever is the Great Race with Jack Lemon and Tony Curtis. One segment of the race has them in a fictional kingdom with Jack Lemon playing a double role, one as the about-to-be-crowned king. It is total farce and with the greatest pie-throwing scene ever filmed.The cornation scene is also hysterical.

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« Reply #42 on: December 06, 2007, 12:36:18 PM »
Re: The Great Race, I believe we've talking 1965. And it’s one of my favorites too, Robert! Jack Lemmon is fabulous in the dual role. It’s a wonderful parody of the Zenda romance, which in turn was an entertaining and fanciful take on early twentieth century middle European royalty.

 The Swan, on the other hand, is played straight, although certainly elements of humor do exist.



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« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2007, 04:40:43 PM »
Have we mentioned The Tempest, with another of my sentimental favourites- Agnes Moorehead?   Story about the pugachev revolt againt Catherine II.

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« Reply #44 on: December 06, 2007, 05:38:19 PM »
Robert, I had not heard of Tempest (aka La Tempesta), and I'm so glad you mentioned it! I checked it out on IMDB and here's a comment from another fan of the film:

I first saw Tempest as an 8-year-old; I was also an altar boy in my Russian Orthodox parish in Pennsylvania. While others watched a story on a large screen, I found myself pulled into the action, and to be honest, I did not sleep well for the next two weeks. But this attests to the movie's impact in an ultimately affirmative way. One week later we visited the Gettysburg Battlefield, and my father's unspoken wish that I fall in love with history came true.

I cannot overstate the film's influence on my life - I taught history for three decades and earned my PhD in education while doing so. 28 years later I was asked to recount the key points of the story and I spent nearly thirty minutes doing so in incredible detail. I became a devoted fan of Van Heflin and Agnes Moorehead. I also began to probe in depth the complex history of my mother's homeland and began to admire Alexander Pushkin's genius. I spent years trying to obtain a copy of the film and finally did so only last week; I found a wealth of material for psychological studies simply in comparing my recollections with what the film actually presented.

I did not expect to find such fidelity to historical and even cultural accuracy, and I regret that many movie-goers at the time were probably not prepared for the insights that Pushkin, via Tempest, offered them. The climactic battle scene illustrates the division of the Cossacks, especially on the eve of the faraway American Revolutionary War, into factions: one of these supports the crown, even if it rests on the head of an Austrian-born czarina, another reacted to the evils of czarist autocracy, and yet another wished only to live undisturbed and draw upon its traditions to assuage the misery of struggling to survive in equally hostile natural and political environments.

Perhaps only the diminished quality of my copy impels me to rate the film 8 instead of 10; certainly a production which so influenced my life, and therefore quite possibly many others, deserves respect equal to the very simulated but overwhelming post battle impact it had upon me.


So I'd say that's a definite thumbs up!

Like you, I'm a fan of Agnes Moorehead. If you've seen The Swan you know that although she's only in a few scenes, prior to her arrival we can feel her presence by the way the others react to the mere mention of her name! I like to think that her brisk and intimidating Queen Maria Dominika--as conceived by the playwright Molnar, the screenwriters and Moorehead herself--might have been influenced by Queen Victoria's own formidable personality during her "Grandmama Queen" years.

Also, I recommend the Wikipedia bio re: Agnes Moorehead. It is a pity that most people know of Moorehead only as Endora, although certainly Endora was a memorable creation!