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Re: Title and surname of the Greek Kings
« Reply #75 on: March 13, 2006, 05:37:58 PM »
Expressing an interest doesn't mean one is moving towards conversion. There were rumors Diana was going to become Catholic (much like the Duchess of Kent did) because of her close work with Mother Teresa and some apparent expressed admiration of the faith and their humanitarian work. Charles is a great admirer of his Orthodox great-great-aunt Ella as well.

CIX was known as Father-in-Law of Europe because all his daughters married so well. One became Queen of England, the other Empress of Russia and the third was the de facto Queen of Hanover. 2 1/2 for 3--not too shabby.  :)

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« Reply #76 on: March 14, 2006, 04:51:13 PM »
ok, i don't wanna mess with more documented people, but christian's importance was more than his daughters. five of his grandsons were kings/emperrors:

1. king of denmark (obviously)
2. king of norway
3. king of greece
4.king of england
5. tsar of russia

now that's something. and that tells me more than his 2 1/2 good marriages out of three daughters  ::)... out of those five people mentioned, obviously the more important (strongest and all) were through minnie and alexandra, but that doesn't make the whole five of them together less important...

just an opinion...  ::)

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« Reply #77 on: March 15, 2006, 08:14:44 AM »
me and my dad always get annoyed with my mom as she seems to take great joy in letting everyone know that Prince Philip at the time of his marriage was just an duke and not a prince! since he had to renouce his citizenship. but me and my dad freak out at this since he is more royal than the queen herself!!!

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Re: Title and surname of the Greek Kings
« Reply #78 on: March 15, 2006, 08:47:46 AM »
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me and my dad always get annoyed with my mom as she seems to take great joy in letting everyone know that Prince Philip at the time of his marriage was just an duke and not a prince! since he had to renouce his citizenship. but me and my dad freak out at this since he is more royal than the queen herself!!!



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Re: Title and surname of the Greek Kings
« Reply #79 on: March 15, 2006, 09:08:59 AM »
The Father-in-Law of Europe nickname came earlier as only 2 of his grandchildren ascended a throne before his death--NII in 1894 and Haakon in 1905 (CIX died in 1906). Of his grandchildren who ascended thrones:

Nicholas II--1894
Haakon--1905
George V--1910
Christian X--1913
Constantine I--1913

Nowadays he is more well-known as the Grandfather of Europe but not so much at the time. At time time, it was the connections of his children who would bring the thrones of England & Russia to the family--including his daughters-in-law who provided connections to the Swedish house (CPss Louise), the Orleans (Marie) and the Romanovs (Queen Olga). For a relatively impoverished royal, ruler of a small nation  , these marriages brought enormous prestige and political connections. (Much to Bismarck's dismay)
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« Reply #80 on: March 15, 2006, 09:46:01 AM »
Yes...Philip had more royal blood than the Queen (who was the only a daughter of an Earl, and granddaughter of a product of a morganetic marriage). Philip's grandmother was born a Russian Grand Duchess.

And about being defender of all faiths (Charles said) of course includes the Anglican faith. And Marlene I don't think you should be too critical of newspapers reports as you also used them often in your own research.

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« Reply #81 on: March 15, 2006, 09:47:30 AM »
oops I should say that the queen's mother was a daughter of an Earl, and grandmother a product of a morganetic marriage. Typing too fast... ;)

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« Reply #82 on: March 15, 2006, 01:35:08 PM »
Eric, perhaps you should prepare your responses more carefully -- and checking facts before responding.  You tend to make blanket statements, rather than making sure your statements are accurate.  

No one is  being critical of newspapers - but you have a habit of making statements that are not quite right.  Had you read the newspaper articles about what Charles' said before you posted, you would have posted something entirely different.

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Yes...Philip had more royal blood than the Queen (who was the only a daughter of an Earl, and granddaughter of a product of a morganetic marriage). Philip's grandmother was born a Russian Grand Duchess.

And about being defender of all faiths (Charles said) of course includes the Anglican faith. And Marlene I don't think you should be too critical of newspapers reports as you also used them often in your own research.

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« Reply #83 on: March 17, 2006, 07:49:43 PM »
Yes...I agree even newspapers misquote. The best way is to interview the subject or go through their correspondence. Yes...careful research is everything.

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Re: Title and surname of the Greek Kings
« Reply #84 on: January 18, 2007, 01:53:39 PM »
Can anyone familiar with the Greek Royal family explain why members are somtimes referred to as "of the Hellenes" such as King George I and others referred to as "of Greece" like Prince Michael or Prince Nicholas? Does it have anything to do with Greek Statehood?

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« Reply #85 on: January 20, 2007, 02:11:45 PM »
It's more or less the same with the Belgian Monarchs,the Monarch is King of the Belgians,while the Princes(ses) are Prince/Princess of Belgium.It is the correct titulature for the Monarch.King of the Hellenes stretches further than territorial Greece only,and furthermore the greek name for Greece is Hellas,proud and ancient.

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Re: Title and surname of the Greek Kings
« Reply #86 on: January 21, 2007, 07:16:44 AM »
Lucien,

Thank you for answering my question.

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« Reply #87 on: April 11, 2007, 06:05:01 PM »
King of the Hellenes means "King of the Greeks", whereas, the king's children would be just prince(ess) of the country, Greece (and of course Denmark). Although, I don't know if this same rule applies for another countries with a constitutional monarchy.
Would it be--
Queen of the British or just UK?
King of the Norwegians/Swedes/Danes? (I know they're not the same country anymore, but you get the idea).
And was Kaiser Wilhelm II Emperor of the Germans or just 'of Germany'?

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« Reply #88 on: April 12, 2007, 05:59:34 AM »
King of the Hellenes means "King of the Greeks", whereas, the king's children would be just prince(ess) of the country, Greece (and of course Denmark). Although, I don't know if this same rule applies for another countries with a constitutional monarchy.
Would it be--
Queen of the British or just UK?
King of the Norwegians/Swedes/Danes? (I know they're not the same country anymore, but you get the idea).
And was Kaiser Wilhelm II Emperor of the Germans or just 'of Germany'?

It is Queen/King of Britain/United Kingdom, Norway, Sweden, Denmark.

The Kaiser was Emperor of Germany, King of Prussia.

What I am wondering is, is it right to call the Crown Princely Couple - Crown Prince Paul/Pavlos of the Hellenes or should it be of Greece? Same goes for CPss Marie Chantal.

I think it is alright to call the King and Queen ''of Greece'' for short in informal situations.

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Re: Title and surname of the Greek Kings
« Reply #89 on: April 12, 2007, 06:31:16 AM »
King of the Hellenes means "King of the Greeks", whereas, the king's children would be just prince(ess) of the country, Greece (and of course Denmark). Although, I don't know if this same rule applies for another countries with a constitutional monarchy.
Would it be--
Queen of the British or just UK?
King of the Norwegians/Swedes/Danes? (I know they're not the same country anymore, but you get the idea).
And was Kaiser Wilhelm II Emperor of the Germans or just 'of Germany'?

It is Queen/King of Britain/United Kingdom, Norway, Sweden, Denmark.

The Kaiser was Emperor of Germany, King of Prussia.

What I am wondering is, is it right to call the Crown Princely Couple - Crown Prince Paul/Pavlos of the Hellenes or should it be of Greece? Same goes for CPss Marie Chantal.

No,of Greece.See explanantion above.Some things are just obvious.
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