Title and surname of the Greek Kings

[basilforever]

And that isn't one of them. Pavlos is Prince of Greece, but since his father is King of the Hellenes, I thought it meant Pavlos might be Crown Prince of the Hellenes. No need to snap.

[Lucien]

And that isn't one of them. Pavlos is Prince of Greece, but since his father is King of the Hellenes, I thought it meant Pavlos might be Crown Prince of the Hellenes. No need to snap.

Not snapping,you would know if I did.
 

[SSKENDER]

And that isn't one of them. Pavlos is Prince of Greece, but since his father is King of the Hellenes, I thought it meant Pavlos might be Crown Prince of the Hellenes. No need to snap.

The Crown Prince's official title in Greece would be "Diadochos", translated as "successor".

Regards

[basilforever]

And what about Duke of Sparta? Is that title still used?

[SSKENDER]

And what about Duke of Sparta? Is that title still used?

No, it seems it stopped being used upon King Constantine I's accession to the throne, and even prior to that, Duke/Duchess of Sparta was only used outside the country, as the Greeks were quite upset when King George tried to give him that title upon his birth. 

[basilforever]

I think that when the Monarchy was in power, the official title was Duke of Sparta for the Greek crown prince, the διάδοχος (diádokhos). Outside of Greece of course, as you say.

I didn't know it was an unpopular title as you say.

It says on Marie-Chantal's page on Wikipedia: Her full title is occasionally given as Her Royal Highness Marie-Chantal, Crown Princess of Greece, Princess of Denmark, Duchess of Sparta. The title Duchess of Sparta (as wife of the "Duke of Sparta", the Crown Prince) was used outside of Greece but its use is waning. The title was created by George I of Greece for his son, Constantine, overlooking one point: The Greek Constitution forbade the creation of titles outside of those already inherited within the Royal Family.

[SSKENDER]

Present day King Constantine II was rarely ever mentioned as Duke of Sparta, nor was his father, King Paul or his uncle, King George II ever described as such.   It died with King Constantine I more or less.

It was unpopular b/c the title "Duke" reminded Greeks of the Latin/Frankish/Venetian invasions which crippled Byzantium prior to Ottoman occupation, one MP stated in Parliament something along the lines of: "The children of the King should be proud and honored to have as their title "Prince of Greece", no mere title but the most important of titles".  And to a great extent I would agree with him, some 140 years later.."Duke" had no meaning to Greece's culture or history.

The official title of Crown Prince Pavlos's wife is Crown Princess Pavlos.  She is not a princess in her own right. 

Regards

I think that when the Monarchy was in power, the official title was Duke of Sparta for the Greek crown prince, the διάδοχος (diádokhos). Outside of Greece of course, as you say.

I didn't know it was an unpopular title as you say.

It says on Marie-Chantal's page on Wikipedia: Her full title is occasionally given as Her Royal Highness Marie-Chantal, Crown Princess of Greece, Princess of Denmark, Duchess of Sparta. The title Duchess of Sparta (as wife of the "Duke of Sparta", the Crown Prince) was used outside of Greece but its use is waning. The title was created by George I of Greece for his son, Constantine, overlooking one point: The Greek Constitution forbade the creation of titles outside of those already inherited within the Royal Family.

[Antoniam]

I think that when the Monarchy was in power, the official title was Duke of Sparta for the Greek crown prince, the διάδοχος (diádokhos). Outside of Greece of course, as you say.

I didn't know it was an unpopular title as you say.

It says on Marie-Chantal's page on Wikipedia: Her full title is occasionally given as Her Royal Highness Marie-Chantal, Crown Princess of Greece, Princess of Denmark, Duchess of Sparta. The title Duchess of Sparta (as wife of the "Duke of Sparta", the Crown Prince) was used outside of Greece but its use is waning. The title was created by George I of Greece for his son, Constantine, overlooking one point: The Greek Constitution forbade the creation of titles outside of those already inherited within the Royal Family.

No when the monarchy was in power the official title of the heir to the throne was not Duke of Sparta. Marlene has posted on this topic before on royalty sites. She got the information directly from Constantine II, the heir is called the Diadoch, Constantine did not have the Duke of Sparta title, neither does his son Pavlos.
George I did not have the power to grant titles, his son Constantine was known as the Duke of Sparta outside Greece as Iskenderbey posted. But future heirs having no right to the title never used it.

The Wikipedia entry is wrong in 2 ways ( not surprising as Wikipedia is not an accurate source of information) Marie-Chantal is not Marie-Chantal, Crown Princess of Greece. She is Crown Princess Pavlos of Greece, again this information comes from Constantine II from an interview he gave. She is also not the Duchess of Sparta, this title doesn't exist.

[basilforever]

Yes I accepted Iskenderbey's explanation, you didn't need to repeat most of it.

Marie Chantal is not Princess Marie Chantal or Crown Princess Marie Chantal, but she is officially Crown Princess Pavlos as you say.

However if you wanted to include her first name in her title, it would not be totally wrong I don't think to write HRH Marie-Chantal, The Crown Princess of Greece, Princess of Denmark because writing it like that is not putting Princess before her first name.

[Antoniam]

Yes I accepted Iskenderbey's explanation, you didn't need to repeat most of it.

Marie Chantal is not Princess Marie Chantal or Crown Princess Marie Chantal, but she is officially Crown Princess Pavlos as you say.

However if you wanted to include her first name in her title, it would not be totally wrong I don't think to write HRH Marie-Chantal, The Crown Princess of Greece, Princess of Denmark because writing it like that is not putting Princess before her first name.

Her title is Crown Princess Pavlos of Greece. ( No 'of Denmark' that was removed with the Danish constitutional changes in 1953, when the Danish succession rules were changed, the Greeks also lost their right to be 'of Denmark") If you write a woman's name before her title then there is an assumption that there are 2 or more people with that title and there needs to be a way of distinguishing them. (An example Raine, Countess Spencer, widow of Diana's father. Carolyn, Countess Spencer divorced wife of her brother. The Countess Spencer would be his next wife. ) There is only one Crown Princess Pavlos of Greece, therefore Marie-Chantal's own name does not come into the title.
Again to use Constantine's own information if MC were to be HRH Marie-Chantal, Crown Princess Pavlos of Greece he would have said so. But he stated her title was HRH Crown Princess Pavlos of Greece.

I wasn't merely repeating Isenkenbey's post but providing an authoritative source to support their information. Not a Wikipedia one!

[basilforever]

Well HRH's correct title may be The Crown Princess Pavlos of Greece, but I suppose it's like how Princess Diana is not Diana's correct title although she is often still called by that title, as MC is  often called CPss Marie Chantal. It is technically incorrect but commonly done nevertheless.

Could you provide a source to say they are not able to be called Princesses and Princes of Denmark any more? I haven't heard that before.

[SSKENDER]

They remain princes of Denmark, but are no longer part of the succession, which was limited to the heirs of King Christian X.

The law of succession differentiated between Princes with rights of succession and those without.
Princes without succession right are "Princes of Denmark", those with rights are "Princes to Denmark".

Regards

[Lucien]

Well HRH's correct title may be The Crown Princess Pavlos of Greece, but I suppose it's like how Princess Diana is not Diana's correct title although she is often still called by that title, as MC is  often called CPss Marie Chantal. It is technically incorrect but commonly done nevertheless.

Could you provide a source to say they are not able to be called Princesses and Princes of Denmark any more? I haven't heard that before.

All call her the Crown Princess Pavlos,except Queen Anne Maria who calls her Marie-Chantal,as she thinks it's such a beautifull name,she stated in an interview a short while ago.

[basilforever]

I think Marie-Chantal is a beautiful name myself.  I meant that the media often call her ''Princess Marie-Chantal" or "Crown Princess Marie Chantal", by mistake, I have seen that.

I don't say you are wrong about this Iskenderbey, but I don't think I've heard anyone called ''Prince To Denmark". Still glad to see the Greek Royals are still called ''Princes/Princesses of Denmark". Marie Chantal is too.

[amelia]

I saw the interview with Queen Anne Marie and what she said is that everybody, meaning the family and friends call Maria Chantal  MC and Queen Anne Marie always calls her Marie Chantal because it is such a beautiful name. Even Prince Pavlos calls her MC.

Amelia