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Predrag Jakovljevic

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #90 on: October 21, 2008, 09:14:54 AM »
No, nothing.

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #91 on: October 21, 2008, 09:25:38 AM »
ooops sorry, pressed wrong key.   Marc tells us:

Although many think that Queen Natalia was poor,she died very wealthy because she inherited all Obrenovic fortune after death oh her son King Alexander(plus her Keshko-Strudza estates)...In her testaments she left all that to Belgrade University and to descedants of Jakov,Prince Milosh's brother who are still present in the male line and live in Serbia under the surname Jakovljevic!

was this a member of your family?

Predrag Jakovljevic

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #92 on: October 21, 2008, 09:46:51 AM »
Jes, she did, but we don`t open her testaments because of our bureaucracy country.
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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #93 on: October 21, 2008, 10:19:16 AM »
She died in 1941 so the estate might be worth looking into again.

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #94 on: October 21, 2008, 11:05:56 AM »
I know that, but I can`t do anything without my state. Very sad, but this is reality.

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #95 on: October 21, 2008, 02:10:54 PM »
True,it would be very expensive for the state to do so...so I assume that the rightful heirs to this fortune will wait until some new laws...

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #96 on: October 21, 2008, 02:21:58 PM »
Who knows?

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #97 on: October 21, 2008, 02:27:48 PM »
We must ask a fortune teller ;-) just kidding...you never know in our country!That has almost always been the case with the others who had similar problem...

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #98 on: November 08, 2008, 08:09:49 PM »
Photo of Maria Obrenovic,born Catargi,mother of King Milan of Serbia and mother of illegitimate children to Prince Alexander Ion Cuza of Romania raised later by his legal wife Princess Elena Rosetti...


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« Reply #99 on: November 22, 2008, 08:08:37 PM »
Yes,Jovan Nikolic,Baron von Rudna and Princess Jelisaveta(Savka) Obrenovic had issue...their children and grandchildren married into Austro-Hungarian nobility...Milosh's grandson Michail married Countess Marianne Kinsky von Wchinitz und Tettau,while Milosh's other descedants though his daughter Princess Jelisaveta are families von der Reuth,Counts Hardegg auf Glatz und im Machlande,Barons Duka de Kadar and among them is the present 9th. F├╝rst Alexander Sulkowsky von Bielitz!

Through his other daughter Petria Prince Milosh also had descedants...Princess Petria married Teodor Bajic of Varadia and some of Petria's graddaughters also married into Austro-Hungarian nobility...

Ljubica Bajic of Varadia married Baron Heinrich von Trautenberg,Bohemian nobleman of Franconian roots whose family can trase their ancestry up to 13th century...

Marija Bajic of Varadia married Baron Bela von Tallian who was a friend of Prime-minister of Hungary Baron Istvan Tisza and was also a member of his government in 1903 till 1905 and as such had a dispute with Generaloberst Karl Tersztyanszky von Nadas...

Prince Milosh had one legitimate daughter Princess Marija who lived from 1821-1823,but he had 9 illegitimate children and among them three Marija'a and one Maria Clara...

Just found that although married to Austr-Hungarian noble families descedants of Prince Milosh Obrenovich continued to live in Serbia until WWII...First picture is one of the residences of Baron Bajich of Varadia:




Second picture is the residence of Baron von Tallian.It was called Schulpe castle also in Serbia:




And this is how it looks today:




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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #100 on: November 24, 2008, 06:47:18 PM »
One photo of Princess Julia...


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« Reply #101 on: March 02, 2009, 08:40:42 PM »


One of their homes in Biarritz was chateau Arcangues where Alexander was with Natalia and Draga unde the same roof:



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« Reply #102 on: March 02, 2009, 10:00:12 PM »
Princess Julia with her second husband Prince Karl von Arenberg:


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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #103 on: June 13, 2009, 05:14:34 PM »
GD Michael and his wife Yulia:

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« Reply #104 on: October 03, 2009, 08:29:56 PM »
I was reading something on the web and found out that Maria Obrenovic,born Catargiu,mother of future King Milan of Serbia was after her lover's deatch a lady in waiting of Empress Augusta of Germany...quite unusual choice of the Empress considering her "past"...