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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #75 on: September 16, 2008, 11:49:20 AM »
True,but than nothing can be certan until DNA proves it...until that kind of research I will stick to genealogy tables until they are proven wrong!
If you have your family name from the late 1700 that is a great thing to know...but if you look from that side than ruling Obrenovic family would at the same time bear the family name Teodorovic or Mihailovic,just depends on how you look to this case since Prince Milos's father was  Teodor Mihajlovic who died in 1802...maybe the case that your family had a problem in 1903,but that kind of problems could happen even these days(for example many women in Serbia had problems with foreign banks because their name was Mirjana Markovic like wife of ex-president Slobodan Milosevic)!

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« Reply #76 on: September 18, 2008, 08:34:54 AM »
I think it is the  Jakovljevic family that we are all interested in, as they would be an unknown branch of the Serbian Royal family. After the Iron Curtain fell we found out about "lost" members of the Romanovs ( one who had survived as an entertainer in a circus !) and a more senior branch of the Georgian Royal house. So more information about the Jakovljevik would be splendid. I hardly think that since Prince Alexander has returned that any members of his family , however distant should fear for their safety.

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« Reply #77 on: September 18, 2008, 02:34:50 PM »
Jakovljevic family are not royals,are not even known in Serbia as such,they have descended from Prince Milosh's mother and that is the link...they are just heirs to Obrenovic fortune which Queen Natalia left to them...

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« Reply #78 on: September 19, 2008, 04:21:51 AM »
yes we know this, but there is no record of them which would be good to know

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« Reply #79 on: October 11, 2008, 12:10:08 PM »
Jakov Obrenovic
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« Reply #80 on: October 11, 2008, 12:13:39 PM »
Duke Milan Obrenovic
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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #81 on: October 11, 2008, 12:43:46 PM »

Aleksandar B Obrenovic

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #82 on: October 11, 2008, 07:39:51 PM »
Predrag, dovrodosli

Very nice pictures, what about somo writing, maybe you can help me find the records of our family

Puno pozdrava

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #83 on: October 16, 2008, 02:25:43 AM »
Marc,you have some informations about prince George. Can you tell me anything about him?  How about his photo?
 

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #84 on: October 16, 2008, 09:16:40 AM »
Marc,you have some informations about prince George. Can you tell me anything about him?  How about his photo?
 


Everything I knew I posted on prevoious pages...Right now I am on my vacation in Bali,so when I come home I will try to find the book and scan the picture of George...P.S.He was not a Prince,just an illegitimate son!

Predrag Jakovljevic

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #85 on: October 17, 2008, 03:12:19 PM »
Obren Martinovic died in 1777, leaving his wife Visnja Urosevic and three immatured children: Jakov (1767-1817), Milan (1770-1810), and Stana (1773-?).
Later, Visnja got married for the second time for Teodor Mihailovic from Gornja Dobrinja, and had another three sons with him: Milos (1783-1860), Jovan (1786-1850), and Jevrem (1790-1856). When Teodor died in 1802, she came back to Brusnica village and died there 1817.
There is no written evidence about Duke Milan Obrenovic before 1804, so nothing can be told for sure about him until that time. Up till 1804 he was not engaged in any administrative duty. But when he joined the Uprising movement, he soon became the leading man of the Rudnicka nahija, and soon after he became a counsellor, too.
Duke Milan Obrenovic is considered to be one of the greatest heroes of the Uprising movement who led the rebels into the battle for the renewal of the Serbian state. Other officers who took part in the Uprising also took over the responsibility for the local and state affairs, military service, and all other civilian activities. The written documents agree that Milan Obrenovic was a good leader who skillfully governed the Rudnicka nahija and for the shorter period he also governed the administrative districts of Pozega and Uzice.
The similar judgement about Milan Obrenovic expressed the Russian consul Rodofinikin who was an exceptional critic and showed no tolerance towards the officers of Sumadija region. In his opinion, the commander Milan was a wise man and devoted to his country and he was an honest man as much as it was possible at that time in Serbia.
He was not one of those exceptional warriors, although he took part in the important battles and campaigns: to Rudnik in 1804, Jagodina (1804), Uzice (1805), Misar (1806), Raska region (1809), Varvarin (1810). However, he would rather hand over these war operations and campaigns to his brother Milos Obrenovic.

To Be Continued

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #86 on: October 17, 2008, 03:24:11 PM »
I` m living in Kragujevac, but my father born in Brusnica, the place where is Milos Obrenovic spend a few years with his brothers Jakov and Milan. Also I know my descendant over 500 years ago. With court decision, number R1 344/04 my geneology with Obrenovic family was confirmed.
I` m direct descendant of Jakov Obrenovic.


Obren Martinovic (died 1777)- Visnja Urosevic

Jakov Obrenovic (1767-1817)

Djoka Jakovljevic (1799-1849)

Miloje Jakovljevic (1826-1888)

Marko Jakovljevic (1852 -1924)

Stanimir Jakovljevic (1904-1976)

Radoslav Jakovljevic (1941-1996)

Predrag R. Jakovljevic (born 1970)
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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #87 on: October 18, 2008, 10:19:13 AM »
Although he was elected counsellor two times, he performed this duty shortly. There is no evidence of his service and work in the Praviteljstvujuci sovjet (the governing body of Serbia at that time), as well as of the National Assembly sessions. That he was a very skillful ruler showed his ability to organize the opposing  political parties in 1810.
He made efforts to limit the Vozd`s (Karadjordje) power, and criticized severely the local separatism. To this position he was made by the fact that he had close relationship with Vozd`s family, and the fact that Karadjordje was Milos`s marriage witness and later on christended his children. His death however, came too soon and he was prevented to take part in the National Assembly sessions at the beginning of 1811 when Karadjordje won the opposition by the constitutional changes. At that time Milos Obrenovic found himself among Karadjordje`s opponents.
The diplomatic activities of Milan Obrenovic left the noticable results. The Russians recognised him and respected greatly and he was honoured  the saber and the medal, but on the other hand  he knew  how to deal with them; According to the letter addressed to Karadjordje it was obvious  that he could judge correctly about Serbian foreign policy, gently critisizing Vozd and giving him advice what to do.
While he was staying in Vlaska, he realised that besides doing the administrative duties, he could also do the trade business as well which he had been stopped to do by constant war affairs, so he, at the same time, while was performing the diplomatic service, was doing the trade business, too.
Milan Obrenovic died when he was only 37 (Dec. 16th 1810).

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #88 on: October 19, 2008, 04:26:33 PM »
thats awesome!  :D

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Re: Obrenovich Family (except the Kings)
« Reply #89 on: October 21, 2008, 04:37:41 AM »
So has anything passed down in your family from the Obrenovich family?