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« Reply #120 on: October 01, 2009, 01:50:58 PM »
There are only those of the Hapsburgs. Hard to find Maria Sofia in old age.

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« Reply #121 on: October 01, 2009, 02:09:22 PM »
Sophia in a old age, nearly impossible because the poor lady died so young. About Marie, I haven't seen
any, just about Mathilda, and she looked so similar to Sissi ;-)

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« Reply #122 on: October 01, 2009, 06:36:36 PM »
Sophia in a old age, nearly impossible because the poor lady died so young. About Marie, I haven't seen
any, just about Mathilda, and she looked so similar to Sissi ;-)

One more time; she did NOT die 'young'.......re-read previous posts made in regards to average age in that era. No need to reply to every post with blanket statements. First read, than comment!

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« Reply #123 on: October 02, 2009, 12:11:23 PM »
One more time; she did NOT die 'young'.......re-read previous posts made in regards to average age in that era. No need to reply to every post with blanket statements. First read, than comment!
I've read them, but I'm saying that her last photos can't be considered of an old lady today.

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« Reply #124 on: October 02, 2009, 02:39:14 PM »
One more time; she did NOT die 'young'.......re-read previous posts made in regards to average age in that era. No need to reply to every post with blanket statements. First read, than comment!
I've read them, but I'm saying that her last photos can't be considered of an old lady today.

You can't look at history wiith today's standards in mind. Times were very different and things that seem so very odd or strange to us now, were very normal in the era they occurred. I love the fact that so many young people from allover the world are picking up an interest in European history, it warms my heart! But there is no need for 'hero worship' for certain people. They all put their pants on one leg at the time. Read other opinions than mainstream about those people. Throughout your postings I have picked up some things and I would like to ask you to read up first and comment later.
Today there is 'the internet', but when I was a young girl, there was none of this, just books and I read as much as I could, as quick as I could to 'get into' the personality of the historical person I was interested in. I read a number of 'opinions' and when I became an adult and understood life a little better, they all of a sudden made sense to me.
Keep going with your interest in history, but beside whatever Wikipedia has to offer, read, read, read.......

An example of this is in the post about the painting portraying Elisabeth's brothers and sisters; if one also is aware of the fashions in the 20th. Century, one knows this could not have been a painting of Elisabeth's parents. Don't focus so much on THE PERSON, look around in the same era they lived and what happened economically, socially etc.
A Library is a GREAT place to spend a couple of hours.......
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« Reply #125 on: October 02, 2009, 03:10:53 PM »
One more time; she did NOT die 'young'.......re-read previous posts made in regards to average age in that era. No need to reply to every post with blanket statements. First read, than comment!
I've read them, but I'm saying that her last photos can't be considered of an old lady today.

You can't look at history wiith today's standards in mind. Times were very different and things that seem so very odd or strange to us now, were very normal in the era they occurred. I love the fact that so many young people from allover the world are picking up an interest in European history, it warms my heart! But there is no need for 'hero worship' for certain people. They all put their pants on one leg at the time. Read other opinions than mainstream about those people. Throughout your postings I have picked up some things and I would like to ask you to read up first and comment later.
Today there is 'the internet', but when I was a young girl, there was none of this, just books and I read as much as I could, as quick as I could to 'get into' the personality of the historical person I was interested in. I read a number of 'opinions' and when I became an adult and understood life a little better, they all of a sudden made sense to me.
Keep going with your interest in history, but beside whatever Wikipedia has to offer, read, read, read.......

An example of this is in the post about the painting portraying Elisabeth's brothers and sisters; if one also is aware of the fashions in the 20th. Century, one knows this could not have been a painting of Elisabeth's parents. Don't focus so much on THE PERSON, look around in the same era they lived and what happened economically, socially etc.
A Library is a GREAT place to spend a couple of hours.......


Chill down!

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« Reply #126 on: October 02, 2009, 03:31:25 PM »
chilling...... :P

I think it is all of our 'job' to help and educate younger members of this forum, but it seems I am not the only one that has noticed that some (younger???) members ask first, then look later, or spout popular belief.......Oh, it's easy to be spoonfed the answer, but there is NOTHING wrong with looking it up yourself first and then ask an informed question, not guess or depend on others to find the answer for you. There is no need for you to step up in defense, I do not bite, just stating something that is bothering me.
These historical figures as so complex and have so many facets, that these 'swoony' questions irritate me and a true discussion is not possible.

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« Reply #127 on: October 06, 2009, 12:00:09 PM »
Agreed. However the lives of Sisi 's siblings were very unconventional by royalty standards...even today.

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« Reply #128 on: November 24, 2009, 02:48:32 PM »
I think Nene was quite sane and so was her younger brother Max.

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Re: Empress Elisabeth's brothers and sisters - pictures and information
« Reply #129 on: November 24, 2009, 02:53:47 PM »
She had many sad events that damaged her emotional stability the last years of her life, but
in normal conditions she was

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« Reply #130 on: November 24, 2009, 02:56:00 PM »
Nene and Mathilde can only be called strange rather than crazy. She just acted different in their ways. That is very different than losing one's mind.

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« Reply #131 on: November 24, 2009, 02:57:35 PM »
Who was the strangest of all of Ludovika's children?
I can't decide between Sissi or other of her sisters

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« Reply #132 on: November 25, 2009, 03:20:44 PM »
Do you know the nicknames of Marie and Mathilde?
I've read that Mathilde was known also as "Spatz" (sorry if I didn't write it correctly) but I'm not
sure, and about Marie I don't know.
The others are so famous
Helene- Nene
Elisabeth- Sissi
and Sophie- Sopherl....
I need help!

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Re: Empress Elisabeth's brothers and sisters - pictures and information
« Reply #133 on: November 25, 2009, 04:47:50 PM »
Do you know the nicknames of Marie and Mathilde?
I've read that Mathilde was known also as "Spatz" (sorry if I didn't write it correctly) but I'm not
sure, and about Marie I don't know.
The others are so famous
Helene- Nene
Elisabeth- Sissi
and Sophie- Sopherl....
I need help!

Some of you will never learn that Elisabeth's nickname was Sisi with only one 's' ...

Mathilde was called "Spatz" (engl. "sparrow") because of her high voice, right. In a few books I read that Marie's nickname as a child was "Mädi", but the authors couldn't confirm it. So I guess Marie actually didn't have a nickname.
I also don't know why some authors claim that Sophie was called "Sopherl" or something like that. No family member had ever mentioned a person called "Sopherl" in his or her letters. I remember reading a letter written by Elisabeth. In this letter she told her daughter Gisela about her stay in Possenhofen and that "Aunt Sophie" (!) was angry because someone splashed water on her.
Ich aber breite trauernd aus
die weiten weissen Schwingen,
Und kehr' ins Feenreich nach Haus -
Nichts soll mich wieder bringen.


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Re: Empress Elisabeth's brothers and sisters - pictures and information
« Reply #134 on: November 25, 2009, 06:56:55 PM »
About that of Sissi with just an S, how correct is that some persons say that really she was not
Sisi, that she was Lisi? I think that they read as this way her famous signature.Thanks for the info.
I read that Sophie was known as Sopherl on the thread of Sophie of Alencon here on the forum.