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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2004, 08:27:29 PM »
Let those of us interested in the Revolution go back over to the thread on Revolution.  We can continue this debate over there.  There I'll explain Kulak and what it meant to my own family.

Since this is a thread about Land of the Firebird,  I'd like to mention the part about the gypies and their music and the vivid colors they wore p. 294.

One of my grandmothers was always fasinated by the gypies who traveled through the village every summer.  She must have been about ten.  Her brother about eight.  Anyway,  she wanted to know more about these people.  So she talked her brother into going with her to the gypsy camp.  She never forgot that night as the gypies sang and dance.  At some point, she and her brother had fallen asleep.  In the morning,  the woke as camp was breaking.  She and her brother climbed onto a wagon and rode with the gypies to their next camp.

Since the gypies  had so many children, two more children just blended into the mix.  

It was my great grandfather who figured out where the two children may have gone.  

The gypies soon discovered my grandmother and her brother and left them at a village and word was  sent  to my great grandfather who was already on his way as he followed the pathwy of the gypies.

Until my grandmother's death at the age of 96,  she continued to talk about that particular adventure.  She knew the gypies were  different from her family and the people in her village.  The married village women all wore black but the gypsy women [young, unmarried and married] wore bright colors.... The material of the clothes varied from silk of all colors to muslim with embroidery as colorful as a rainbow... Most of them had great singing voices and when the men danced they left off the ground higher than she was tall... The musical instruments varied as did the tempo.  Some of the songs would start off slow and then go faster and faster.... Some melodies sounded so sad that it brought tears even to her young eyes....  Oh, and the jewerly... The earings on women and men.... The chains around the necks and bracelets caught the light as they danced and sounded as if they were musical instruments....

There were some "good old times" even by two peasant kids who ventured off for several days with the gypies. ;D

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Re: Land of he Firebird....by Suzanne Massie
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2004, 08:48:22 PM »
My posts on this thread have dealt mostly with Russian life prior to the 1917 Revolutions, not the revolutions themselves.

Perhaps there should be a thread dealing with "Non-Imperial/Noble Russians" (which would be such a broad topic, since that means most of the Russian people)

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Re: Land of he Firebird....by Suzanne Massie
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2004, 09:08:03 PM »
Perhaps too broad.

Let's narrow it down.

Maybe:  Peasant Life: 1800 - 1917

If not, any other suggestions?

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Re: Land of he Firebird....by Suzanne Massie
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2004, 09:13:13 PM »
Or..."Life of the other 95 percent" (as opposed to "other half")

Since serfdom really took hold during the reign of Ivan Grozni, I think simply Peasant Life and Culture (15th-20th century) would be appropriate.

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Re: Land of he Firebird....by Suzanne Massie
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2004, 10:07:09 PM »
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Peasant Life and Culture (15th-20th century)
would be appropriate.
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Sounds good to me.  You want to set it up?

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Re: Land of he Firebird....by Suzanne Massie
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2004, 08:27:27 AM »
AGRBear...

Happy peasants still blessing Batushka (Father) Tsar?  Wandering Romantic Gypsies? The GOOD OLD DAYS?
You seem to have left out woodland Elves and  house hold brownies from your curiously sentimental concoction!

Oh no....no.... Let me guess... the two missing children from the Ipatiev house were collected by aliens?  Right?  
oh please... :-/

Seriously... try reading "Natasha's Dance" it might just even out the discussion on any "Real Peasants type" thread.

Please see new thread under Imperial Russia

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Re: Land of he Firebird....by Suzanne Massie
« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2004, 10:12:52 AM »
Actually, I think that you should read Russia: On the Eve of War and Revolution by Sir Donald Mackenzie Wallace. It was first published as Russia in 1912. Mr. Mackenzie worked for the Times and spent a few years in Russia sizing things up. He does a very good job and I think we can trust him considering that he was actually there and all.

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Re: Land of he Firebird....by Suzanne Massie
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2004, 10:18:38 AM »
JM

Thanks! I'm off to the library!

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Re: Land of he Firebird....by Suzanne Massie
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2004, 09:33:24 PM »
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AGRBear...

Happy peasants still blessing Batushka (Father) Tsar?  Wandering Romantic Gypsies? The GOOD OLD DAYS?
You seem to have left out woodland Elves and  house hold brownies from your curiously sentimental concoction!

Oh no....no.... Let me guess... the two missing children from the Ipatiev house were collected by aliens?  Right?  
oh please... :-/

Seriously... try reading "Natasha's Dance" it might just even out the discussion on any "Real Peasants type" thread.

Please see new thread under Imperial Russia

R.


I will not apologize for my ancestors having lived differently than you think they should have in Tsarist Russia.

And, it's true, not all the stories I know are romantic and filled with gypies and wood elves...  But, then, those stories belong on another thread not in the Land of the Firebird.....

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Re: Land of he Firebird....by Suzanne Massie
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2005, 12:55:37 AM »
I want to say that this is an extremely good book .
It accumulates a lot of the knowledge of various fields.The book is very true one. (i.e information is right) . The author could express the atmosphere of Russia.
You could imagine that some books about Russia written abroad could be very very funny from our point of view. But this book is not indeed .  
I know some russian academicians ,businessmen( not of culture field) who own this book and like it very much.

Our English speaking guides use this book for their lectures.Such lectures we must do during  Volga River cruises .
There are wonderful cruises between Moscow and Petersburg and also just along Volga River
Longest Cruise is Moscow- Rostov-na-Donu.
For example , at the middle of May , I will work at the Volga cruise with Russian National Orchestra and Mr. Pletnev (famous pianist and head of this O.).
The cruise will start in Yaroslavly (frm Moscow by bus) -
N. Novgorod- Makariev- Cheboksary- Kazany- Kostroma-
Uglich- Moscow.
It is quite special cruise ,because after city excursions ,
the concert in every city we visit will take place.
We also will  have to assist the conversations between musicians and guests on the ship.
(so , there will be no room for our lectures!!!
Maybe only about Romanovs and Russian Language)

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Re: Land of he Firebird....by Suzanne Massie
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2005, 08:22:19 AM »
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...have you ever seen "The Twelve Chairs"? Very light comedy-- you might enjoy it... Its a lark!
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I saw both the American and the Russian* versions, they were really good, and what a great story!

*The Russian version was better.  :)

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Re: Land of he Firebird....by Suzanne Massie
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2006, 08:44:32 AM »
i have always wondered about Land of the Firebird and was fortunate to pick it up just recently for about $4 US.

I am looking forward to reading it.

Bear - I love the stories you told about your childhood and your grandmother.

Just because people suffered under Tsarist Rule doesn't mean that there weren't some very happy times.  Especially for children because as you said children don't always know that they are poor in material things if they are rich in spiritual things.

I don't know why others seem to think that only the bad and the ugly should be written about when it comes to Tsarist Russia.

If that were true for all countries, then the only things we Americans could write about would be slavery and the fact that our constitution defended it before the 13th Amendment.

There is beauty everywhere.  We only need to look for it.  Unfortunately some people see the whole world through "rose colored glasses" and see no evil, while others see only the evil and forget that into every life in every country some beauty has fallen.