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« Reply #120 on: February 22, 2008, 10:16:12 PM »

Grand Duke Nikolai Konstantinovich ca 1865 (Son of Grand Duke Konstantin Nikolaievich - this is the Grand Duke who was exiled for supposedly stealing his mother's jewels - KR's brother)

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Re: Grand Duke Nikolai Konstantinovitch and his family
« Reply #121 on: May 12, 2008, 07:23:07 AM »
This subjet fascinates me, specially because I found Fanny Lear's memoirs in the Internet. The memoirs are in French and do not mention what happened to him , it goes only untill she left Russia.Do you think that Fanny Lear had any contact with him, afterwards. And did he really steal the jewels or was it someone else. Also did the money really go to the revolutionaries? Her memoirs do not include 26 pages that the Russian Government retrived, I guess because there was something of scandalous, but I would love to read those 26 pages. I have no idea how to get them.I understand that one of his sons came to study in St. Petersburg and satyed with  KR family.

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Responding to Amelia's questions from the Queen Olga of Greece's thread

The memoirs of Fanny Lear is more like fiction than a serious book, she just wanted to make quick money and wrote her revelations. A Russian historian who read her book considered it a novelette.
As for GD Nikolay K. stealing his mother's jewels, well, till now the historians have been conjecturing "was or was not?". Was that him or not him?

If I remember correctly a bio article on the Grand Duke, Fanny Lear tried to have a contact with him afterwards but in vain.
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Re: Grand Duke Nikolai Konstantinovitch and his family
« Reply #122 on: May 12, 2008, 01:04:24 PM »
Svetabel,

Is there any photograph of Fanny Lear? I would love to see it.

Thank you
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Re: Grand Duke Nikolai Konstantinovitch and his family
« Reply #123 on: May 13, 2008, 12:47:15 AM »
Svetabel,

Is there any photograph of Fanny Lear? I would love to see it.

Thank you
Amelia

Here you can see a statue for whiich Fanny Lear was a model.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/thumb/3/3e/Ñêóëüïòóðà_Ôàííè_Ëèð.jpg/300px-Ñêóëüïòóðà_Ôàííè_Ëèð.jpg

I've seen a photo of Fanny in some book on the Romanovs and actually I can't say the girl was a beauty. I'll try to dig out a picture and post here.

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Re: Grand Duke Nikolai Konstantinovitch and his family
« Reply #124 on: May 13, 2008, 07:53:30 AM »
Dear Svetabel,

Thank you so much. Unfortunately I was not able to access the website, I will try again. I would really like to see her photograph.

Amelia

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Re: Grand Duke Nikolai Konstantinovitch and his family
« Reply #125 on: May 13, 2008, 09:53:13 AM »
I could not access the web site either.

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Re: Grand Duke Nikolai Konstantinovitch and his family
« Reply #127 on: May 14, 2008, 07:07:44 AM »
Thank you so much, Svetabel. Thelady on the right with long hair, who is she? Could she be Fanny Lear. And do you know where the statue is today?
Thanks again
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« Reply #128 on: May 14, 2008, 02:41:47 PM »
Thank you so much, Svetabel. Thelady on the right with long hair, who is she? Could she be Fanny Lear. And do you know where the statue is today?
Thanks again
Amelia

The lady on the right with long hair is GDss Alexandra Iosifovna, mother of the Grand Duke.

The statue of "Fanny" now is at the Art Museum of Tashkent (Uzbekistan), so at the city where the Grand Duke had been living for many years.

And here's Fanny itself as she was in the beginning of the 1870s.


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Re: Grand Duke Nikolai Konstantinovitch and his family
« Reply #129 on: May 14, 2008, 04:06:55 PM »
Is there a photo of his palace in Tashkent?

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Re: Grand Duke Nikolai Konstantinovitch and his family
« Reply #130 on: May 14, 2008, 04:33:46 PM »
Thank you so much Svetabel. This is the first time I have seen a photograph of Fanny Lear.

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Re: Grand Duke Nikolai Konstantinovitch and his family
« Reply #131 on: May 17, 2008, 02:37:40 AM »
Thank you so much Svetabel. This is the first time I have seen a photograph of Fanny Lear.

Amelia

And that's the only one photo of her as I know.

Back to Fanny's memoirs. I mentioned that a Russian historian considered the book a novelette. Well, by chance I've came across some quotations from Fanny's memoirs in another bio-article on GD Nikolai K. and I must say I can't agree the text is a fiction or a sob-stuff...Fanny (her real name was Hatty Ash, and Mrs Blackford by her husband) was a practical, down-to-earth and sharp-eyed woman without many prejudices and sentimental spirits. Of course her written revelations and love story must be viewed critically but it's obviuos she was a first real friend for a lonely young Grand Duke. The handsome and dashing officer Grand Duke Nikolai had a lonely childhhood though he was surrounded by siblings, tutors and so on. His parents adored him but Grand Duke-Father was always busy with his fundamental projects and later with his second family (with ballerina Anna Kuznetsova), his pretty mother was busy with herself and later with her offences on her husband's adultery...And the boy was a victim of his pedant tutor Mirbach, a harsh German officer with whom he had been fighting for years. GD Nikolai grown up into a reclkess, bull-headed young man with a violent temper. He was desperately lonely and so plunged into dissipation. Fanny was that one who normalized his crazy life, and became definitely his first great love...Certainly this could not help her to escape from Russia with a hatful of money (compenstaion from the Russian Secret Police) after the fuss around Nikolai and stolen jewels of GDss Alexandra Iosifovna.


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Re: Grand Duke Nikolai Konstantinovitch and his family
« Reply #133 on: May 17, 2008, 07:04:09 AM »
Svetabel,

Thank you very much for the information on GD Nicolai Konstatinovich. The biography you talked about, is it in English or Russian/
Thanks Amelia

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Re: Grand Duke Nikolai Konstantinovitch and his family
« Reply #134 on: May 17, 2008, 12:29:34 PM »
In Russian,that's a sort of article or chapter in a book on the Romanovs and some noble families.