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« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2004, 01:57:39 PM »
I wonder how Natalia felt about working for the KGB? It was basically an arm of the same Soviet apparatus that systematically murdererd any Romanov they could get their hands on (and in the most brutal manner possible) and then in the 1920s (IIRC) under Stalin hunted down and tortured many of the "formers" - people who had done nothing more than just worked for the IF.

And then she goes to the funeral for Nicholas' family - a crime her former "bosses" had covered up and lied about for decades (something Yeltsin himself admitted). I don't condemn her, mind you, I just wonder how she felt.  She saved her own life, but at what price?
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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2004, 02:56:38 PM »
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I wonder how Natalia felt about working for the KGB? It was basically an arm of the same Soviet apparatus that systematically murdererd any Romanov they could get their hands on (and in the most brutal manner possible) and then in the 1920s (IIRC) under Stalin hunted down and tortured many of the "formers" - people who had done nothing more than just worked for the IF.

 And then she goes to the funeral for Nicholas' family - a crime her former "bosses" had covered up and lied about for decades (something Yeltsin himself admitted). I don't condemn her, mind you, I just wonder how she felt.  She saved her own life, but at what price?


The book I originally cited (2nd post), Perry and Pleshakov's "Fligth of the Romanovs" touches on this to some degree. They describe her as a reluctant recruit. She was basically told to inform on her friends or be shot. They continuously use language that implies she was indeed reluctant about her services. They cite her final assignment (against the US ambassador - a honey trap), after which she was finally released from obligation. "But the good news was that the Lubyanka kept its word, and Natalia says they never asked her to work for them again." (p352).

The authors seem to admire her, saying she had the same spirit and daring as Peter the Great. They also say, the KGB file speaks of her admiringly, as well.

But, I had the same thoughts you had. The authors have pretty extensive notes, with sources tied directly to particular statements within the chapters. On this issue, however, most of their source material is personal interviews with Natalia Androsova (as she was known when they met with her in Moscow in the 90s). So, not too much of a lead there to do further research.

I've been toying with the idea of getting in touch with the authors. There are about three other instances where I would like some more information and the notes either don't cover the point or are tied to personal interviews. Alas, the burden of the armchair (as opposed to professional) historian.

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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2004, 02:45:32 AM »
thanks all!!!
I was asking about posting pictrues here on forum, because I dont have an acces to books and archival articles here in Poland. I will be very gratefull.
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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2004, 01:36:17 AM »
I've heard that prince Artemi Iskander also was murdered (1919). But it was of 1 source. Who can tell me if it was true and why he was murdered?

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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2004, 02:35:44 AM »
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I've heard that prince Artemi Iskander also was murdered (1919). But it was of 1 source. Who can tell me if it was true and why he was murdered?


There are 2 versions about Artemii`death.
1.He was killed at Civil War in 1919 (or was missing)
2.He died from typhus.
The source of these versions "Romanovs:Story of a Dynasty" by E.Pchelov (in Russian)


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« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2004, 07:19:22 AM »
This is an abridged excerpt from the White Night of St.Peterburg (The Romanov Family's Black Sheep in Russian) by Prince Michael of Greece. It's a fictional, sometimes distasteful and generally badly-written story based on a few genuine facts about GD Nicolas Konstantinovich.

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Re: Grand Duke Nikolai Konstantinovitch and his family
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2004, 09:37:31 AM »
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This is an abridged excerpt from the White Night of St.Peterburg (The Romanov Family's Black Sheep in Russian) by Prince Michael of Greece. It's a fictional, sometimes distasteful and generally badly-written story based on a few genuine facts about GD Nicolas Konstantinovich.

I read it in Russian and must agree...VERY badly-written story!

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« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2004, 10:16:28 AM »
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based on a few genuine facts about GD Nicolas Konstantinovich.


what are the facts then?

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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2005, 07:15:29 PM »
I have read two different versions of this "rebel" GD's death. According to "Camera and the Tsars" he died of pulmonary disease in April 1918 and was buried by the Bolsheviks. According to "Flight of the Romanovs" he was the first Romanov killed by the Bolsheviks (around February), though circumstances are unknown. Does anyone know which version is the correct one?
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« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2005, 09:59:26 PM »
According to Chavchavadze's book The Grand Dukes the GD was either murdered in Tashkent, where he lived in exile, by the Bosheviks or he died of starvation.

It seems there are three different hypotheses. ???


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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2005, 10:15:50 PM »
I've read he died of natural causes and actually got a funeral by the revolutionaries as he was such a black-sheep Romanov. I've also read the killed by the Bolsheviks account. I wonder if they'll ever sort it out since it was so long ago and in such a chaotic time and area.
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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2005, 10:20:35 PM »
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According to Chavchavadze's book The Grand Dukes the GD was either murdered in Tashkent, where he lived in exile, by the Bosheviks or he died of starvation.

It seems there are three different hypotheses. ???


The information in the Grand Dukes is wrong  (as is in other sources.)  

In 1995, a German genealogy magazine, Der Herold, published a detailed article abut Grand duke Nicholas Konstantovich -and   he died of a lung (pneumonia) ailment, and he died in the arms of his daughter, Daria.
In 1951,  Harnett Kane and Victor Leclerc wrote The Scandalous Mrs. Blackford, which is about Fanny Lear and her relationship with Nicholas ... and the book has several paragraphs about his final years (and how he died from pneumonia.
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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2005, 11:39:53 PM »
Thanks for Marlene for clearing this up for us.

As we have discussed in the book section, Chavchavadze's book does indeed have its problems.  Why he failed to source these older references which you cited is a mystery.  ???
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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2005, 01:33:07 AM »
Was Dar'ya an Iskander? I've never heard of her before.