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Offline clockworkgirl21

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Age Question
« on: May 01, 2005, 05:38:59 PM »
How old would a child have to be in those days for their parents to expect them to live? Today, parents can expect newborns to live. In those days, not always. And since children died often in those days, did people react the same? I know loosing a child could never be something someone can get used to, but it was more expected in those days. Sorry for being off topic, but thinking about what Aleksandra's reaction would have been to Aleksey's death got me wondering.

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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2005, 04:51:13 AM »
they tended to have many children in case some of them didn't live i think
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2005, 07:35:35 AM »
I am not sure, but I thought she had a miscarage, and Nicholas and Alexandra were pretty upset.  :-/ Does anyone know about this, or am I thinking about soimething else?  ???
-Dana

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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2005, 07:59:32 AM »
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I am not sure, but I thought she had a miscarage, and Nicholas and Alexandra were pretty upset.  :-/ Does anyone know about this, or am I thinking about soimething else?  ???
-Dana


Who do you mean, Dana? Do you mean Alix? Alix had a miscarriage - or possibly 2 though one seems to have been more of a 'phantom pregnancy.'

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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2005, 10:48:07 AM »
About Alix's miscarriage. I was reading in "Once A Grand Duchess: Xenia - Sister of Nicholas II" last night, and I just happened to stumble on this topic.
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"Alix was also expecting a baby; deserate to give her husband a son, she has turned to the occult and fallen under the sway of Philippe Nizier-Vachot, a French faith healer, who convinced her that the child would be a boy. In August the whole country awaited the birth - but nothing happened. Finally Xenia reported, there occurred a 'minor miscarriage - if it could be called a miscarriage at all! That is to say a tiny ovule came out!' The next day a bulletin was issued saying a miscarriage had ended the Empress's hopes, the doctors confirmed that there had been no pregnancy, and the symptoms were caused anaemia"

Pg. 53, Secong Edition, Sutton Publishing Limited

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Re: Age Question
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2005, 02:09:08 PM »
Please excuse my stupidity, but isn't an ovule an egg? How can nothing but an egg come out? And they must have had excellent eye sight, since an egg is about the size of a needle tip.

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Re: Age Question
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2005, 03:17:06 PM »
^ I haven't a clue clockwork. That was my first impression as well.

In terms of children, since the Industrial Revolution  medicine had become more adept and food more available, so more children lived and infant mortality declined. Children still died, but there chances were much better than even 50 years earlier. Unless the child was born sickly or contracted a deadly disease, I expect that they would have predicted children to live full lives. Most royals had multiple children in search of heirs I believe. Most wanted 2 or 3 sons I'm sure to ensure that if they lost their heir, they had others to keep the monarchy in their immediate family.

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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2005, 04:01:15 PM »
I am just guessing, but I suspect that the 'ovule' was a mass of cells, but before it became recognisably human - like an embryo in an early stage of development.

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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2005, 05:04:20 PM »
Yes, that was what I meant. I was not entirely sure is it was a miscarage, or if it was born and then died, but my friend gave a report on the Romanovs, and told us about it.

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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2005, 05:43:09 PM »
"Please excuse my stupidity, but isn't an ovule an egg? How can nothing but an egg come out?"



A single egg cell is visible to the naked eye.  Besides nerve cells, it is one of the largest known cells in the human body (female, really).

It wouldn't have come out just by itself though - likely she just began a cycle and it was expelled during that, whether the cycle was her regular menstrual period or a very early miscarriage.  Or, like Georgiy said, it could have been within a mass of cells as an early embryo.
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2005, 06:48:26 PM »
As to Alix's reaction if her son had died, I think she would have been destroyed. I too have read about miscarriage(s). I thought there were two.

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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2005, 07:31:39 AM »
I think one of them was a girl (I remember because eventhough it wasn't alive they named it Alexandra anyway, after Alix) but I am not sure if the other was a boy, girl, or a "spoof pregnancy" kind of a thing. Do you?
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Re: Age Question
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2005, 09:11:37 AM »
I thought the "Alexandra" baby was a myth?

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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2005, 02:22:46 PM »
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I think one of them was a girl (I remember because eventhough it wasn't alive they named it Alexandra anyway, after Alix)
-Dana


what???

as far as -i know this is not true

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Re: Age Question
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2005, 04:24:18 PM »
well, she this is what a girl in my class named Allison said she saw. she has not been interested for long,m and internet can lie...sorry anyone who was confused.  :)