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Re: Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia & family
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2005, 07:30:15 PM »
Well,CP Alexander's mother was Princess Alexandra of Greece(has a bit of real Greek blood in her viens through her mother Princess Aspasia),Katharina Batis(CP's second wife) is also Greek and her son David(from her first marriage) is soon getting married to a Greek girl in Athens!The godfather on the wedding will be Greek interior  minister(don't know his name),so...

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« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2005, 10:43:39 AM »
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Well,CP Alexander's mother was Princess Alexandra of Greece(has a bit of real Greek blood in her viens through her mother Princess Aspasia),Katharina Batis(CP's second wife) is also Greek and her son David(from her first marriage) is soon getting married to a Greek girl in Athens!The godfather on the wedding will be Greek interior  minister(don't know his name),so...


Yes, but being as the Greeks may a big deal out of playing down monarchy and monarchs in general, I was amused that they were displaying royalty so publicly.  However, the Greeks have a close relationship with the Serbs and do promote their interests, and ANT-1 channel does have monarchical links.  I doubt very much it has to do with CP Alexander having greek blood and his wife being greek...ah well..
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Re: Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia & family
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2005, 08:03:42 PM »
Yes,but in the end his wife Katharine who is Greek is very rich and influential!Her sons godfather would be Greek interior minister so why schouldn't they use some more connections if they have for promoting themselves or their royalty cause!Not a big deal...I mean that's what we all do when we have oportunity!

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Re: Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia & family
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2005, 01:44:41 PM »
How Did Crown Prince Alexander and Crown Princess Katherine meet?

Who is the mother of HRH-The Princes of Serbia & Montenegro-the first or second wife of Crwon Prince Alexander?

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Re: Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia & family
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2005, 12:43:33 AM »
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How Did Crown Prince Alexander and Crown Princess Katherine meet?

Who is the mother of HRH-The Princes of Serbia & Montenegro-the first or second wife of Crwon Prince Alexander?

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Perhaps we can ask Crown Prince Alexander how he met his wife. He's online quite a bit - though I don't know if he would answer this.

His sons were born from his first marriage to Princess Maria da Gloria of Braganza.

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Re: Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia & family
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2005, 06:00:12 AM »
They met at one dinner while sitting next to eachother-they assumed(they were never sure about it) their mutual friends aranged their meeting...Tampa Bay,Crown Prince Alexander's first wife(and mother to all his sons) was Maria da Gloria Enriquetta Dolores Lucia Rafaela Michaela Gabriela Gonzaga d'Orleans-Braganza of Brazil!If you want to see her-them(she was really beautifull) I posted their picture on the prevoius or the page before previous(not sure but look at it)!

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Re: Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia & family
« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2005, 03:44:55 AM »
Serbia - why Monarchy?

Written by: ALEX, Belgrade.


The Kings of Europe today are different than the Kings of Europe 200 years ago. These Kings and Queens now are LOVED by their people, whereas democratic presidents are RESPECTED. Because the Royals are there longer, one sort of gets attached to them, to what they do.

The Royals have become more a recognized symbol of tradition than the mighty rulers in front of whom people tremble with fear. The key role in leading a country rests with the Government, while the King or Queen is in today's Europe a symbol, or, as Vuk Draskovic likes to say: "The Monarch is the dot on the letter "i", the roof of the home, the unifier of political aspirations and the calmer of political tensions".

I feel that the Royals of Europe are great positive-image promoters of their countries. Somehow they share so many more feelings with their "subjects" (the term which has lost its former meaning even though it has remained). Of course, there are good Republics and bad Republics, just as there are good Monarchies and bad Monarchies. What we in Serbia have now - and it's the only Republic we know - originates from communist Tito. There is no way I will ever accept to live in his legacy.  :'(

What are my principal reasons for Serbia to be a Monarchy? We have had our own path of history and development. We have settled the Balkans in the 7th century. By the 10th century we had some kind of an organized, unified state, a Monarchy. Since then, we have always been some form of Monarchy, except during the Ottoman Turks and the Communists. The Serbian Republic, as democratic as it may now be in terms of Western standards, is based on the bloddy foundations of Josip Broz Tito, a communist who started a brutal civil war during an unfortunate time, then grabbed power and continued killing his oponents in the so-called peace and freedom after WW 2. That is the legacy of the Republic that we know.

Our Church is also for the Monarchy, because the King and the Patriarch are unseparable.

Whereas the Serbian President today belongs to one party or the other, the Crown Prince does not belong to any party. He supports pro-democracy options in general, but you will never hear him mention a particular party. Apart from our politicians who have all been raised in communism, he does not have that "virus" in him, he does not have their way of thinking, not even a tiny percentage of it. He is an advocate of democracy, human rights for everyone, peace, prosperity, tolerance - regardless of religious or ethnic background... In other words, it's just what we need and what Europe wants to see from us. He is out of daily political quarels and tries to keep neutral when it comes to political strifes. He is well mannered and well educated, he speaks several languages, is respected in the West and - also a big plus - is RELATED to almost all Royal Families of today's Europe, and those royal connections can only help Serbia. President Boris Tadic or any other politician is NOT related to, say, Queen Elizabeth II.

Here is an example of just how tolerant the Crown Prince is. Even though the communists have created hell for him and his family, taking away ALL their rights from them, he is not angry at communists, nor does he hate them (as I would if they did all that to my family). He often says that it's all now part of our tragic history, that we must move on and that "we must first crown democracy, before we crown a King". That is my all-time favorite sentence of his.

In fact, he could have been King (in exile) the moment his father died. But, instead, he chose to have a lesser title of Crown Prince (next in line to inherit the throne). He said that there has, sadly, been a 60 year discontinuity in the Monarchy and that it will be up to the people to one day freely say what they want (the communists never gave us that chance). That is why he chose not to take the title of King, which would normally belong to him from the moment of his father's death.

Here is another example of his tolerance: in the backyard of the Royal Palace is the grave of Tito's wartime mistress, Davorjanka Paunovic. Tito had buried her close so that he could look at her graveyard from his window (of the Royal Palace, where he moved in after the war). Imagine how upsetting that made Tito's wife Jovanka Broz... Anyway, that grave is still there. When asked if the misfortunate partisan woman will be moved from Royal Property, the Crown Prince said, and I am paraphrasing --- No. That, too, is part of history. She will remain to rest there, until someone from her family claims that her remains should be moved to some other place. So far, none of her family has come forward. Perhaps there is nobody left in her family, and so she will remain to rest where she is now... The Crown Prince has even laid flowers on her grave. Also, he laid flowers on the graves of the last Obrenovic Royal Couple, who belonged to the rival Dynasty that "disappeared" (was brutally murdered) in 1903. When asked why he was placing flowers on the graves of what used to be the rival Dynasty, the Crown Prince said, and I am paraphrasing again --- We must put an end to all our tragic divides: the Obrenovics vs the Karadjordjevics, the partisans vs the chetniks, etc. We must learn from and cherish our history, no matter how pleasant or ugly it may have been from time to time, but we must look ahead and move forward. We must unify around what we want to do as a nation, where we want to go, and we must work together to accomplish those desires - and the most important desire is a strong, democratic, peaceful, respected Serbia within the European family of nations. We must stop this quarelling, we must keep the educated young people in this country, we must provide new jobs, we must improve the care of our children and the elderly... But we have to stop dividing ourselves over past issues, as if we haven't had enough problems already...

Too bad his Serbian language skills are poor - that is the main objective the people have regarding him, although he has improved. He can now speak without holding a piece of paper, but the pronounciation and grammar sounds more English than Serbian. He is trying, though. He is travelling all around Serbia, trying to get to know the people, the regions, the customs. He and his wife are invited on various tradtional, historic, religious, cultural and sports events. They sponsor talented students or cultural manifestations. They bring in A LOT of humanitarian aid - and they never ask who belongs to what religion or nationality. They have brought medical aid and supplies, medicines, computers for schools etc... Just recently Princess Katherine donated a blood analysis machine to the Children's Clinic, previously she had opened a ward with her name, previously she had gathered money in the US to help reconstruct an entire hospital in the town of Smederevo, where US Steel Serbia has its factory... The Royal Couple was one of the first to send trucks of aid to the flooded region of Banat, Vojvodina. There, not only do the Serbs live, but also Hungarians, Romanians, etc. The Royal Family sent aid to everyone who was affected, they didn't ask about nationality or religion. In short, they are doing a wonderful job, and they are slowly getting into the hearts and minds of the Serbian people. They are promoting investments and a generally positive, optimistic image of Serbia. They are today our biggest ambassadors of good will, and so is Princess Jelisaveta. And they do not take a cent from the Serbian people for what they do. When asked what her reward is in all this, Princess Katherine said: "Just seeing a refugee child smile is enough a reward for me. Just seeing the way an orphaned child smiles when he or she receives a hug, a toy or a candy is the biggest reward one can get".

In short, yes, I want a Monarchy, no different than, say, the Monarchy of Spain (a good example, since they too have had a civil war and a dictator and are now democratic and respected). The idea of Monarchy, however tarnished by communist propaganda, is, I believe, still deeply rooted within us, it's what we've always been, it's our roots and tradition, of course we must adapt all that to the modern world, and hopefully more people will realise this, as I have. A democratic Kingdom of Serbia within the European Union. Modern and yet traditional, with a free market economy, with a flourishing level of democracy, tolerance, respect, a country proud, successful and happy, a country whose people can feel proud and not punished, accepted and not isolated or despised, a country whose people can travel freely to whichever country they wish, without visas, in short - a happy country.  :D

Of course, we could achieve all that with a Republic - this country is going to the EU one way or the other, but with a Kingdom it adds much more style, romance, glamor, ceremony and fairy tale to the concept.

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Re: Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia & family
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2005, 12:03:30 PM »
Alex,

Thanky you for the wondeful essay.  CP Alexander is an role model constitututional Monarch even if it is "in-exile".

Your English is excellent.  My thoughts are prayers are with you and the Serbian/Montenegrian people.

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Re: Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia & family
« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2005, 01:16:34 PM »
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Alex,

Thanky you for the wondeful essay.  CP Alexander is an role model constitututional Monarch even if it is "in-exile".

Your English is excellent.  My thoughts are prayers are with you and the Serbian/Montenegrian people.

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Alexander and Katherine do good things - and are wonderful ambassadors.

In three weeks, I will be in Belgrade (for 5 days).



 

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« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2005, 06:43:58 PM »
In this period of time it will be birthday of Crown Prince Alexander!

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« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2005, 10:00:28 PM »
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In this period of time it will be birthday of Crown Prince Alexander!



Yes. exactly ...although the major celebration is the night before his actual birthday ..
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« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2005, 02:21:28 PM »
Marlene,

I would love to be your host in Belgrade. Unfortunately, I am going to Corfu, Greece for some summer and sea fun on June 11th, but if you are coming before that date, please get in touch with me.

If you get to Belgrade before that perhaps I can show you around a bit, I am a great guide as I know a lot about the city, the sites, the history. I know a man who could get you in the Royal Palace for CP Alex's birthday. I can't promise anything but it just could work.

The Tourist Organization of Belgrade organizes Royal Tours of the Palaces on Saturdays and Sundays. Please see their site for more infor and for other useful info on Belgrade.

www.tob.co.yu

What's interesting about Belgrade? Well, it's not one of those famed European cities like Paris, London or Rome. Believe it or not, but Belgrade is one of the oldest fortifications in Europe that has been rebuilt 40 times in its history. It sits at the confluence of the Sava and the Danube rivers, has a splendid mixture of Ancient Times, Capitalism, Communism - of Western Europe and the Orient, of old historic buildings, communist-styled buildings and new modern buildings. The people are friendly and hospitable, the prices affordable, and the atmosphere of the city is great - the nightlife is fantastic, you can see people having fun till the early hours of the morning, the street cafes are plentiful. Shopping is also great.

Once again, if you will be here sometime before the 10th of July, please get in touch with me. My e mail is superfaca@yahoo.com

I hope you will have a great time in Belgrade, get a chance to see the Royal Palace (apply at the Tourist Organization as soon as you arive for the first coming weekend). You should not miss the Belgrade Fortress (Kalemegdan), the main pedestrian street - Knez Mihailova or Prince Michael Street, the Cathedral - Saborna Crkva and Princess Ljubica's Residence - Konak - all that is on your route in the heart of the city and already there are a thousand years of history right there in those few dozens of steps. Also see the St. Sava Temple, the outside of it is magnificent. And don't miss the 19th century bohemian quarter of Skadarlia - with authentic restaurants (you simply must dine there) and live traditional music. That should be just about enough for a five day stay. Of course you will also see the ruined buildings that Nato has bombed in 1999  >:( - thus making them a tourist attraction not seen elsewhere in Western Europe.  :'(

The euro now stands at about 82 dinars per euro, and exchange offfices are everywhere, as are banks, ATMs, etc. Major credit cards are accepted in most places, we have big supermarkets and all the other commodities the people in the West are used to. Most young people speak English but it would be nicer if you had a local to show you around, who knows the customs and the language and canexplain the history and the sites.

Belgrade is not one of those places you fall in love with at once. That's because there is a lot of prejudice when the Serbs are regarded, because of the events of the 1990s. But, once you get there you will be surprised to discover how fast a growing city Belgrade actually is, with a wonderful atmosphere and exceptionally hospitable people, with a mixture of civilizations. And before you leave you will definetely feel some love for Belgrade. All the foreigners I have met have fallen in love with it. I hope you will, too.

Have a great time. Please get in touch with me now and also when you get back. I really hope we will be able to meet.

All the best,

Alex

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Re: Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia & family
« Reply #42 on: July 06, 2005, 09:19:52 AM »
CP Alexander remains good friends with his first wife, and I believe Maria da Gloria will be attending Alexander's 60th birthday festitivities in Serbia next weekend (not this coming weekend).


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They met at one dinner while sitting next to eachother-they assumed(they were never sure about it) their mutual friends aranged their meeting...Tampa Bay,Crown Prince Alexander's first wife(and mother to all his sons) was Maria da Gloria Enriquetta Dolores Lucia Rafaela Michaela Gabriela Gonzaga d'Orleans-Braganza of Brazil!If you want to see her-them(she was really beautifull) I posted their picture on the prevoius or the page before previous(not sure but look at it)!

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Re: Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia & family
« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2005, 09:49:54 PM »
Did any member of the Serbian/Montenegrin/Yugoslav Royal Family offer his/her services as lobbyist for the EU accession of Serbia and Montenegro?

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« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2005, 12:07:48 PM »
Marc
Is this kind of event common or an exception?
What are your "feelings" when you see these pictures? [stupid question]
What do you think is the financial situation of the Serbian RF?